gjohnson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Lampard's inability to get signings at Chelsea together into a unit should be an immediate red flag to us. The difference when tuchel went in was startling. Tuchel after Dortmund and PSG I wasn't too impressed but he's turned me around and he's in the top 3 managers in the PL. Errm...as much as i dislike the very concept of Lampard as a manager, i'm pretty sure Chelsea were on a transfer ban for most of his time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just can't have a full on cockney like Lampard me personally, just wouldn't get the club in the slightest. Hope Reuben isn't using his influence to try and make it happen given he's friends with Jamie Redknapp etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, toon25 said: He benefitted massively from the Chelsea youth system - especially at Derby when he was able to loan Mount. He'll have nothing of the sort here. You honestly dont think Billy Gilmour comes here to play for Lampard over Norwich, or that other prospects who know Lampard wont come to the club. Especially younger players knowing his views on giving youth a chance. We aren't going to go and sign top names immediately, but young prospects who can turn into fantastic players will. Even the example of Hudson-Odoi is valid. Players away from Chelsea and on the continent know the name. Simply dismissing him because he was sacked by Chelsea, as many managers have been in better situations would be silly. Especially in favour of a man who was sacked by a team in Italy who finished below where Chelsea did in the premier league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, Magpie said: Just can't have a full on cockney like Lampard me personally, just wouldn't get the club in the slightest. Hope Reuben isn't using his influence to try and make it happen given he's friends with Jamie Redknapp etc. Not sure if that cockney quote is serious like. I’m assuming not given Warren Barton, Rob Lee etc who def got the club. But yeah, apparently Jamie and Harry Redknapp have the club their opinion on Eddie Howe (a glowing recommendation) apparently so if they are friends with Jamie Reuben then they’ll have likely pushed Lampard too given Harry is his uncle and Jamie his cousin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, gjohnson said: Errm...as much as i dislike the very concept of Lampard as a manager, i'm pretty sure Chelsea were on a transfer ban for most of his time 1st season yes and he did a good job then. They then spent big and actually got worse. Tuchel came in and they won the CL.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Even if I though Lampard was a decent manager I still wouldn't take him. I would stay away from anyone that is part of the toxic circle jerk between our xenophobic football media and ex-pros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just now, neesy111 said: 1st season yes and he did a good job then. They then spent big and actually got worse. Tuchel came in and they won the CL.... So did Di Matteo. Avram Grant got to a final. As I say, its about steps and what's put in place. Do we trust a man who performed worse in Italy than a man who performed better in England? Its nice to be enticed by a foreign manager due to the class of English managers Ashley brought in (I include Keegan in that), but to dismiss somebody who took a team full of younger English lads and a few stars to Champions League football would be mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Didn’t someone say Hope had said Lampard isn’t in the running ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I would imagine if Chelsea had spent £70m on a striker other than Timo Werner Lampard's record might have been very different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Can't cope with another British media darling in the coach/manager role. Needs to be Forrin so we can cover all hate bases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Even if you want to go English, go for Eddie Howe, not Lampard. There are also English managers that have performed far better than Lampard in the championship that you could go for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I’d give Lampard a chance, but I don’t want him. As much for the insufferable media chat as any ability he might have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, dazzanufc1892 said: You honestly dont think Billy Gilmour comes here to play for Lampard over Norwich, or that other prospects who know Lampard wont come to the club. Especially younger players knowing his views on giving youth a chance. We aren't going to go and sign top names immediately, but young prospects who can turn into fantastic players will. Even the example of Hudson-Odoi is valid. Players away from Chelsea and on the continent know the name. Simply dismissing him because he was sacked by Chelsea, as many managers have been in better situations would be silly. Especially in favour of a man who was sacked by a team in Italy who finished below where Chelsea did in the premier league I think this post and your previous one made some very fair arguments. I'd be disappointed as I think we could potentially hit a home run with someone like Fonseca right off the bat, and I'm really concerned about Franks temperament and the media bias that will follow like we just had with Bruce, however I'd get behind the guy if it did happen. I'd be really worried though. What you said about getting in young talented players I'd agree with. Signing the likes of Gilmour, Gallagher and loads of other talented Chelsea youth that they may be willing to sell would be a big plus for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) I just cannot see anything about Lampard that suggests he's going to be a truly top manager. Maybe it's because he's a sexy foreign and that's warping my view a bit but that Xavi video I saw the other day (posted it in the Bruce thread) is how I want our manager to be. I just cannot see Lampard being in tune with the kind of football he wants to play in the same way. Edit: He's clearly passionate about exactly what he wants and is dedicated to playing it out. Basically just get a good DOF, some world class scouts and pay Xavi whatever it costs. Edited October 22, 2021 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, dazzanufc1892 said: Do we trust a man who performed worse in Italy than a man who performed better in England? Eh, how are Chelsea and Roma comparable? I seem to remember Chelsea finishing 3rd and winning the EL the season before lampard joined. Wasn't like he turned them around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 It speaks volumes that the most memorable moment of Lampard’s managerial career is his crying like a bitch when Bielsa sent a spy to Derby’s training ground. He might turn into a good manager, but the sum total of his achievements are a decent twelve months with Derby (matched Rowett’s league finish iirc) and an admirable season at Chelsea when they were under embargo. The minute they started signing players it went tits up. There rumours he was pretty aloof and fell out with a lot of the squad too. He’s not what we need in this current situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, mrmojorisin75 said: Isn't Lampard considered to have done a very good job when they had the transfer embargo and brought through a number of young academy players to good effect? I wouldn't be jumping to take him first choice but I don't think he's a PFM fuckwit more than likely, probably just didn't have the experience to manage all the players after that mental transfer window they had. Nothing to be ashamed of. Lampard is a horrendous manager. No idea about phases of play and on record as saying he doesn’t believe in having a particular playing philosophy. Just look at how his Chelsea side played, suicidal, formless high press and a deep backline. Similar to how we play under Bruce. Nothing compact; the bloke is clueless tactically and got away with it due to the players at his disposal. Another in a long line of British “tough, tell it like it is” man-managers with no idea whatsoever with regards to modern tactics. He’s the only one on our supposed shortlist I’d be genuinely upset about us hiring. Like replacing Bruce with a young Sherwood (might be hyperbole but I se similarities between them). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I reckon its done and dusted and they will announce on Sunday or Monday. Not before as dont want to undermine Jones and team prep for Saturday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, KaKa said: I think this post and your previous one made some very fair arguments. I'd be disappointed as I think we could potentially hit a home run with someone like Fonseca right off the bat, and I'm really concerned about Franks temperament and the media bias that will follow like we just had with Bruce, however I'd get behind the guy if it did happen. I'd be really worried though. What you said about getting in young talented players I'd agree with. Signing the likes of Gilmour, Gallagher and loads of other talented Chelsea youth that they may be willing to sell would be a big plus for sure. I totally agree. it depends how you see this appointment. To me this is somebody who will come in, entice some players you wouldnt expect e.g. Kieran Tripper, James Maddison, that grow the team and we see good football and the development of NUFC as a brand and a club. As that growth happens we will probably outgrow this appointment which is fine and happens at almost every club. Then we look at a level above a Fonseca, a proven trophy winner who doesn't just look good and a pre-rehearsed and edited YouTube video. There are managers other than Lampard who would do a much better job, thats totally agreed, but theyre not coming here to build foundations, theyre coming here to win and win from day one. Thats why this step is important. As above, if you view this appointment as the guy who will lead a squad build for 5 - 7 years and win a trophy, then that has to be a bigger name than Fonseca as theres no proof he can do this yet, but what we do have is proof from other managers of the ability by name to attract players and put some things in place. Even Tuchel took time after the CL win to praise Lampard and the players and plans that were already there when he arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Eh, how are Chelsea and Roma comparable? I seem to remember Chelsea finishing 3rd and winning the EL the season before lampard joined. Wasn't like he turned them around. Yeah, that bit wasn't a sound argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Fuck no on Lampard. Yet another limited English manager that will be defended to the high hilt by the media. He is an upgrade on Bruce but so is a soapy sponge. Very important we hire a DoF pronto, especially if the ownership split of opinion about manager choices is true. More likely the press don't have a clue but they would be waiting for Lampard to fuck up and the fans to turn so they can label us again as the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Awaymag said: I reckon its done and dusted and they will announce on Sunday or Monday. Not before as dont want to undermine Jones and team prep for Saturday! Don't think anyone announced until it's too late for them to take charge for the chelsea bloodbath Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwallace197 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 For me the main issue with Lampard is that they didnt seem to have any football identity or consistent way of playing football in his final year at Chelsea, mainly lumping balls into the box and hoping for the best. I will give it to him that he did reasonably well at Derby & in his first season at Chelsea but not outstanding. When the pressure came on in the second season, he seemed to fold. That's not the type of manager we need, the manager who comes into this job is coming into an extremely high pressure situation with the risk of relegation whilst having to deal with the expectations of the board & the expectations of the fans. I think given our current predicament, we need an old hand, not someone young & relatively inexperienced. Thats why Lucian Favre would be a good choice for me, he's an old hand and has been in a relegation battle before. He took over Borussia Mönchengladbach when they only had 16 points from their opening 22 games & managed to save them from the drop. And over the years, he steadily worked them up the table without the funds he would have at Newcastle. He's out of work currently so we could get him in quickly, he's also managed at the top level. He's the stand out choice, yes he has no PL experience & isnt fluent in English but he is the standout choice of the managers mentioned. Also, he signed & managed Haaland at Dortmund, they apparently have a good relationship so who knows:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Lampard could be a top manager still but Chelsea were languishing near to 10th than the top 4 and he still couldn't find his best team. The experience Fonseca has is a big positive as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dazzanufc1892 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Eh, how are Chelsea and Roma comparable? I seem to remember Chelsea finishing 3rd and winning the EL the season before lampard joined. Wasn't like he turned them around. Because this is the whole point. The 2 aren't comparable. You're looking for a manager who has done something at a high level and proven he can maintain or elevate a team. Fonseca couldn't even do this with Roma where he had some great players and a huge budget following the sale of Allison. A top class manager came in to Inter, brought in 3 names and broke the Juve monopoly overnight. People are fawning over an unproven manager who did an average job in an average league because he edits well on YouTube. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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