et tu brute Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I did, he set us up as he has since January, we controlled the game for large parts, but just lacked the same intensity. We didn't create anything really and the substitutions had a negative effect. I agree he has got it pretty much spot on since January, just not tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Think I'll be giving the football board a wide berth tonight Doesn't help when ignored members keep getting quoted like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, neesy111 said: This place man. Got fuck all to do with this place man Edited March 17, 2022 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, et tu brute said: No it's not, what did we create as an attacking unit? That was a game that was there for the taking and with his team selections or substitutions he didn't make it happen. He's got it bang on most games recently, just not tonight. We should appoint a manager that never gets it wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: hows your neck now? Youre going to have to explain, sorry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Hyperbole mode off please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: Youre going to have to explain, sorry After your protest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said: We should appoint a manager that never gets it wrong. Every manager gets it wrong at times. No big deal, if he keeps us up he's done his job well considering where we were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Almiron and Krafth is a horrific right side, that’s really the only thing I could point to. Presumably Shelvey wasn’t fit or well enough to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Almiron and Krafth is a horrific right side, that’s really the only thing I could point to. Presumably Shelvey wasn’t fit or well enough to start. Yet we got worse after miggy went off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, neesy111 said: Yet we got worse after miggy went off. Maybe, but I’m not sure if that was the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Might be unfair due to quality, balance and time but think what we saw was a tired and leggy team tonight and for me that’s down to lack of rotation. Seems the only way you can get in the side is through injuries. Everyone wanted Bruno in the team and really, if we’d have seen more of him I think Joe, willock and shelvey would have been fresher and not be carrying injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 It was an off day/night tonight. All teams have those games where both sides aren't clicking and one moment pinches 3 points: we did it against Villa at home and away at Leeds. Everton did it against us tonight. Nowt to do with tactical setups, it's just the players don't click. But aye questions on ASM for me. We've brought him on 2 games running at 0-0; one where we looked solid and the other in control without really creating much and in both we've gotten worse as a result. Why is that? And in both nothing he tries came off. Can't even count drawing a red card as it wasn't a red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, Dokko said: Might be unfair due to quality, balance and time but think what we saw was a tired and leggy team tonight and for me that’s down to lack of rotation. Seems the only way you can get in the side is through injuries. Everyone wanted Bruno in the team and really, if we’d have seen more of him I think Joe, willock and shelvey would have been fresher and not be carrying injuries. Really hard to say because that continuity has got us the results that could well help us survive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 "We controlled the game. The only thing that was missing in the first half was a goal, and being really clinical in the final third, but that was missing for the entire game for us today. I thought we got into some good positions but the normal rhythm wasn't there, for whatever reason. The second half was a big disappointment. The red card gave us a big advantage and we didn't capitalise on that. I thought tactically, we didn't deliver the plan we should have done at that moment. The game was there for us but we made some poor decisions with the ball by our high standards. You're always liable to counter-attacks and moments that can still cost you the game. You have to be very alert and we weren't. We made a bad mistake for the goal and it cost us." Fair assessment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, The Prophet said: "We controlled the game. The only thing that was missing in the first half was a goal, and being really clinical in the final third, but that was missing for the entire game for us today. I thought we got into some good positions but the normal rhythm wasn't there, for whatever reason. The second half was a big disappointment. The red card gave us a big advantage and we didn't capitalise on that. I thought tactically, we didn't deliver the plan we should have done at that moment. The game was there for us but we made some poor decisions with the ball by our high standards. You're always liable to counter-attacks and moments that can still cost you the game. You have to be very alert and we weren't. We made a bad mistake for the goal and it cost us." Fair assessment. So nice to have a manager who isn't a total bullshit artist. You know he'll be fucking fuming n all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Not going to be too critical of him. He’s improved us hugely. Not identifying the need to remedy the problems up front is a black mark however. He must see that now, even from the games we were winning. No excuse for not making that our top priority in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Not going to be too critical of him. He’s improved us hugely. Not identifying the need to remedy the problems up front is a black mark however. He must see that now, even from the games we were winning. No excuse for not making that our top priority in the summer. He's said a fair bit he doesn't want to play how we are currently tbf to him. I think it's just needs must to keep us up. Assuming we do, next season is everything for him. You'd imagine the pressure will be on from all quarters too. Think we just ran out of a bit steam tonight and didn't play the occasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Not going to be too critical of him. He’s improved us hugely. Not identifying the need to remedy the problems up front is a black mark however. He must see that now, even from the games we were winning. No excuse for not making that our top priority in the summer. You could argue it's the only place that we didn't strengthen in January. We just desperately needed a body to be ready for what was a huge game against Watford to play up front and went for Wood. He'll talk him up in the press as a manager would but you'd think he knows we have to be getting better for next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Disco said: He's said a fair bit he doesn't want to play how we are currently tbf to him. I think it's just needs must to keep us up. Assuming we do, next season is everything for him. You'd imagine the pressure will be on from all quarters too. Had exactly the same mentality at Bournemouth when keeping them up from going down from League 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: Not going to be too critical of him. He’s improved us hugely. Not identifying the need to remedy the problems up front is a black mark however. He must see that now, even from the games we were winning. No excuse for not making that our top priority in the summer. Genuine question; what would the solution to that look like? I was happy with Wood as a short-term solution (a body up front basically) and when I look at the market I see no better options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 They tried to get a striker. Ekitike didn’t want to come, Man U wouldn’t release Lingard. They went for Wood because they needed someone and knew that activating his release clause would get him. It was needs must and they had finite time and manpower to get everything they wanted done in that window. Wood is not the answer medium or long term and I’m sure they’ll be getting someone better in in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solitude20 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Howe has been playing so far based on the tools that he currently has. He seems to like possession-type attacking football, but our current team does not have the tools to play anything like that, hence you see how we relied heavily on crossing. The vast majority of our goals since December has been from set pieces. We just don’t have the players to score in different ways. Let’s look at the 2009-2012 Barca team as the prime example of a possession-type football. You have a trio midfielders who can pass the ball around all day with their eyes closed (Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets). All what matters here is passing, vision, off the ball movement, positioning, decision making, first touch, and dribbling. You can never play a high possession football if your trio midfielders lack any of those. Unfortunately, Willock and Joelinton don’t offer those skills. They are good at offering physicality in midfield, but that is not near enough to be competitive in modern football. They might be good enough if you want to be a mid table team, but we want more. Actually, the Barca trio lacked the physical presence, but that didn’t matter since they were superb technically. Pep had to drop Mascherani from DM even though he was a beast when it comes to physical prowess, but he lacked the technical skills that are needed from a DM to play the way Pep envisioned. Bruno is the only one who offer that (don’t mean he is on the same level as Barca’s trio of course). We must sign two more world class midfielders who are technically gifted to achieve our ambitions of reaching top 4. Now, midfield alone won’t give you that high level of possession, Barca had a false nine who is an all-time great with legendary dribbling, first touch, passing, and vision. We don’t need a false nine of that level of course, but the point is our main striker should have the technical skills to receive the ball under stress, pass it to others, open spaces, and of course score goals. We are stuck with Wood who can pretty much offer nothing other than headers. Getting a proper striker who can add to play buildup is our first priority next summer. As for wingers, Fraser is very hardworking, but again, he is not technically gifted to be a top 4 level. Dribbling, decision making, crossing, off the ball movement, and first touch are a must here. I am not even sure about ASM. He is an amazing dribbler, but man he lacks the brain to be that productive. There is a reason why never gets called for the national team, and I don’t see him as a starter in Man City or Liverpool (our future competitors). He can still start for a few more seasons, then we should replace him. then comes the defenders, a central defender who can pass forward is very integral to play possession-type football. Botman should join in summer. Burn is good for a season or two before we can upgrade. That’s perfect as he will be in his thirties by then. The board has made their goals clear to Howe, we should reach top 6 in 2 seasons, top 4 in 3-4 seasons, and win the league in 10. With Howe and the amount of cash we can pour in, we might do it sooner. But one thing for sure is that Bruno and Trippier are the only ones who will still be starting 3 -4 seasons from now, but Trippier will be too old by then. Edited March 18, 2022 by Solitude20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The objective for Howe was to keep us up, which when he was appointed we know going to take some effort and even after the Watford game most of us thought we were done for. The run we went on was amazing but I don't think the objective changes, yes the higher the finish the better but staying in the league was the priority and if we do that then it's a bloody job well done. He was mostly backed in January and he has so far done his part. If he keeps us up then it's back to the owners to do their part and back him. If the plan is to really kick on then Wood can't be starting for us next season and our options on the wing need to be improved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Reckon he's going to come back with some cracking sunburn with that fair complexion. Already looks like it's setting in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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