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11 minutes ago, Ikon said:

How is it possible to conede that first goal in this kind of important game. Absolutely criminal and shocking defending. They had two players going for the header and we didn’t have a defender near enough even trying to challenge. 


It might only have been Brentford when Toney was offside. So recency bias is clouding my view. But I said at the time, I feel like we’ve conceded this goal a lot this season. Static and slow to react to the second ball off a cross or set piece. 
 

Bournemouth away and West Ham at home from corners? Spurs? It’s like we are statues watching the first contact. Then still don’t move for the second. 

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8 hours ago, Kanji said:


What i miss about last seasons end of season team and earlier this season was our aggressive and ruthless defending. Our guys look so fucking passive now. If it’s not spurs at home it’s late and lethargic like today. No in betwen.  

Wonder how much of that is to do with Longstaff being out. He does as much running as anyone off the ball and adds a bit of bite in midfield. The defence are missing that bit of extra industry in front of them I think.

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I love Eddie but this quote is sooo David Brent :lol:

 

"I can’t repeat what he said but it makes you think ‘what if’. Nobody should have to feel their personal safety is violated when trying to entertain the country.”
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3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:


It might only have been Brentford when Toney was offside. So recency bias is clouding my view. But I said at the time, I feel like we’ve conceded this goal a lot this season. Static and slow to react to the second ball off a cross or set piece. 
 

Bournemouth away and West Ham at home from corners? Spurs? It’s like we are statues watching the first contact. Then still don’t move for the second. 

We’ve started pretty badly in the last few games and weren’t punished. Was bound to catch up eventually sadly 

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Of all the managers to have a go at on the touchline, one of the most calm and humble in the league. Let's not go after incendiary zebedee wankers like Klopp or Arteta, nah let's shove Eddie Howe, one of the least offensive blokes in history :lol:

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13 hours ago, Stottie said:

I can't remember Leeds having much more than four serious attacks. These resulted in goal, pen, young lad having a mare slashes over, and goal.

 

To concede so much from so little pressure was very poor.

No applied pressure either. Just weak goals.  Trippier made several mistakes leading to both goals too. 

 

1 hour ago, Sempiternal said:

We’ve started pretty badly in the last few games and weren’t punished. Was bound to catch up eventually sadly 

This is the frustrating thing. You can see it coming so we should mitigate it.  The first order of the day would be - keep the crowd quiet for 30 minutes. No cheap goals. No belief. Nothing to hang onto. 6 minutes - half an attack = goal. Frustrating man. 
 

Same thing once we went into the lead. Leeds and the crowd offered nothing for 11 minutes, we looked the more likely to score. HALF an attack = goal. 

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The Brighton game is a good opportunity for Howe to show us what a good coach he is. Everyone knows how Brighton play and it is possible to negate their strengths as Everton did recently.  We will have a better idea after the match how high Eddie's ceiling is.

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I’m not too worried about Howe getting the tactics right. It’s just that some of our best players have looked quite off in the last couple of games. CM doesn’t look as well balanced either. Fingers crossed we can be at our best on Thursday.

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5 minutes ago, Away Toon said:

The Brighton game is a good opportunity for Howe to show us what a good coach he is. Everyone knows how Brighton play and it is possible to negate their strengths as Everton did recently.  We will have a better idea after the match how high Eddie's ceiling is.

Agree but that would mean sitting back against them and hitting them on the counter. At home. In a huge match we really need to win if at all possible. Doing that would go against everything Howe has championed - 'intensity is our identity' would go out of the window. 

 

Not saying you're wrong but I can't see Howe changing the approach to the game. We'll press them and hope they don't/can't play through us as easily as Arsenal did. I think :lol:

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Tbf Eddie has been getting the tactics spot on - we just need to stop giving soft goals away.  We've been creating chances just gifting goals.  Tightening up at the back is key. Sadly this is where Longstaff has been a miss.

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11 minutes ago, Away Toon said:

The Brighton game is a good opportunity for Howe to show us what a good coach he is. Everyone knows how Brighton play and it is possible to negate their strengths as Everton did recently.  We will have a better idea after the match how high Eddie's ceiling is.

Can't fully disagree with this.  Midds has basically summarised my perspective above, though.

 

Howe is in a difficult spot as I think he's still very much in the identity building phase of this club. I think he's, rightly, tried to leap frog the 'cautious development' phase of sneaking into 7th and instead get an essentially average squad playing like champions. And it usually works, in the same way having the best hand on the flop in poker usually means you win the round. But it doesn't always, and playing the percentages isn't good enough to win a given tournament.

 

I can't pin any blame on Howe however things go over the next 3 games after the season we've had because there's not enough evidence to do so given the circumstances. As outsiders, we're only scratching the surface when we try to understand the adversity he has overcome. But, it is true that to me, the ability to break a pattern, spring a surprise and do a number on an opponent in a zero sum game is a big part of what separates the great players from the book learners in life.

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You can be intense without trying to press the GK and both CBs. 
 

Brighton play without fear and practice playing through a press relentlessly. They always know where to be. Where to pass. 
 

The last two times we’ve come up against a team whose tactics don’t favour us we’ve lost without scoring. 

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On 14/05/2023 at 03:16, Kanji said:


What i miss about last seasons end of season team and earlier this season was our aggressive and ruthless defending. Our guys look so fucking passive now. If it’s not spurs at home it’s late and lethargic like today. No in betwen.  

Lads might be tired. But it's bad.

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I was away at the weekend so missed the incident with the fan at Leeds. Seems bloody shocking that like. Do we know if it was one of our supporters or a Leeds fan? 

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