Vinny Green Balls Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: First big test of his time here I feel at the moment. This has been genuinely as bad as anything under Bruce. His first big test was dragging out of the relegation zone. At the beginning of last season, we could only draw games, so obviously another first big test. Then people were saying that our poor form before the cup final was his first big test. How many first big tests does this guy have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Aye the context is obviously important, but as you’ve said these last 3 away games have been bad. I’m not sure why anyone would argue otherwise. Don’t think anyone is arguing it’s poor, but he compared it to Bruce which is utterly ridiculous. Edited December 10, 2023 by SUPERTOON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: First big test of his time here I feel at the moment. This has been genuinely as bad as anything under Bruce. How 'good' does a defeat need to be, to not be as bad as a Bruce one like ? Surely the perspective of our injuries, extra games, poor away form and being ahead of where we should be at this stage of our evolution need to be factored in ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) what’s he supposed to do when the only option he’s had is 10 fit outfield players playing every 4 days and now we have a clampit in goal too ? Edited December 10, 2023 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, Vinny Green Balls said: His first big test was dragging out of the relegation zone. At the beginning of last season, we could only draw games, so obviously another first big test. Then people were saying that our poor form before the cup final was his first big test. How many first big tests does this guy have? It was a free hit for the beginning of his reign and he lost the final, so failed that one. This is tough right now. Players don't look happy either. They were happy both those times you talk about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: Get fucked for saying it doesn't look good? Wind your neck in. Yes, get fucked. We’ve lost two games in a week, poor, tired performances. But why wouldn’t he be able to turn it around? He’s been nothing short of exceptional since taking over, and the last two matches have significant mitigating factors. 3 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said: Knackered, injury ridden squad or not, this week has shown he has some way to go to being a top tier manager like Klopp, Guardiola and Emery. errr, last season’s Klopp says hi! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said: Knackered, injury ridden squad or not, this week has shown he has some way to go to being a top tier manager like Klopp, Guardiola and Emery. Guardiola's team lose every game that Rodri is absent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Comparing one of our best managers in 30 years to the literal worst manager is the worst thing I have heard on this forum This place is %#*^ toxic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 (edited) 5 away points all season. It's horrificly bad away form. Hope he has a way of improving that when players are back fit. Better in the way of subs today, still though Trippier should have been off 20 minutes earlier (or half time). Edited December 10, 2023 by Aiston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Obviously the overall picture isn't, but in isolation this definitely has been as bad. We've looked staggeringly open and with almost no threat. We could have scored 4 ffs ??? Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: It was a free hit for the beginning of his reign and he lost the final, so failed that one. This is tough right now. Players don't look happy either. They were happy both those times you talk about. They looked fucking ecstatic a week ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, Aiston said: 5 away points all season. It's horrificly bad away from. Hope he has a way of improving that when players are back fit. Just 2 games mate. That doesn't count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BShearer Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 seems very hard to replicate last season away form: we were 3rd best away team with 8-8-3 record end of 22/23 season now after 9 games we are 16th with 1-2-5 record next 3 away PL games: Luton who is managing to make top teams suffer a lot a home Liverpool... Villa who is on an 8/8 home record so far this season just beaten City and then Arse too we certainly cannot go to these places and end up getting 0 or 1 point from these combined. would maybe sign 4 points now tho on current form/injuries. Howe needs to come up with a plan, not the same plan he had today or vs Everton.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, Elliottman said: We could have scored 4 ffs ??? Jesus Christ. Not really like. And they could have had 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Everybody log off FFS. Come back in the morning when you’ve had a chance to sleep on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 He has a big excuse in the injuries and having to play the same squad, but today i was hoping he realized how knackered they are and try and focus on Milan while giving players a rest, it was a total write off of a game and what matters now is we win on Wednesday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, Dokko said: It was a free hit for the beginning of his reign and he lost the final, so failed that one. This is tough right now. Players don't look happy either. They were happy both those times you talk about. A free hit when a good percentage of the forum were calling for his head? It didn’t seem like a free hit when he first got here. The revisionist history on here is sometimes breathtaking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, ponsaelius said: Not really like. And they could have had 8. Isak, Miggy, the goal, Wilson at the end , I think there might have been more. And that’s not what you said, you said we’d been no threat at all and as bad as anything under Bruce. Short memories. Entitled as fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, arnonel said: Comparing one of our best managers in 30 years to the literal worst manager is the worst thing I have heard on this forum This place is %#*^ toxic Some really toxic posters on here like. Disgraceful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Everyone’s knackered I get it, but the last 4 away games we’ve conceded: 2.46xg to Bournemouth 4.54xg to PSG 3.36xg to Everton 3.88xg to Spurs We could’ve been absolutely hammered in all of them. We have to do something differently away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Did I imagine us beating Man Utd 3 games ago? And Chelsea not long before that? And City, and Man Utd again? Etc. etc. etc.? Some of you go on like Howe is taking us down. Feel gaslit to fuck reading this forum after a loss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 We need a different plan away from home and he needs to be more proactive with rotation. I expect a response at home against Milanand definitely Fulham as we got more back. But away from home we’ve been bad in every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Dokko said: It's not just the streak. Its the time of year, games coming up, and derhy looming. He also had more options earlier in the season. As ever, people can't see the bigger picture. This is a proper rest for him. Can't See the bigger picture? Howay, stop being so patronizing, if there is a bigger picture it is that we have been utterly shanked with injuries, we've had to play the same 11 for 5 games in 2 weeks, with one of them players being a 17 year old. A week ago, we beat Man United & Chelsea comfortably, and where cheated out of a win in Paris. That week has caught up to us, the players where absolutely on their feet, if Miggy isn't running, you know there are issues with fatigue. We have had it so good over the last two years, these players and this manager, have produced some of the best moments in a generation, and for the first time we hit a sticky patch, and a patch that is more then explainable, and yet people shit their kegs. Some perspective, two years ago, we where in the relegation zone, winless, by rights we should be no where near the Champions League yet, and yet this group of players, and manager, got us their. Now we have the worst injury crisis in 30 years, and we lose a couple of games and all of a sudden people turn. Its ridiculous frankly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: First big test of his time here I feel at the moment. This has been genuinely as bad as anything under Bruce. have you forgotten winter 2021 when we were still stinking the league out looking nailed on for relegation and scraping a 1 nowt home win against Burnley sent the crowd into raptures ? I’d say keeping us up given the steaming turd he inherited from Bruce was his first big test and he passed with flying colours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Don’t think anyone is arguing it’s poor, but he compared it to Bruce which is utterly ridiculous. I don’t think it’s ridiculous at all, Bruce era was go away and roll over, you can definitely argue that’s what we’ve done in these last 3 games. And as I mentioned the context is crucial our players have very little in the tank but this doesn’t change the fact in our last 3 away games we’ve been well off it and second best by some distance as we were during the Bruce days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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