Eddie Howe

[bobbydazzla]

9 minutes ago, dcmk said:

 

In recent history when a manager leaves a big club and their next gig is with a smaller club they treat it as a bit of a joke, I immediately think Jose and Conte at Spurs and how those ended, was farcical.  The job was beneath them so half arsed it and played for the sack.

 

Need a manager who would actually appreciate and be grateful for the opportunity.  Iraola is the only manager who comes to mind from the current PL group of managers. 

 

 

 

If you're comparing Alonso to Jose and Conte at Spurs then you also haven't thought that through either.

 

Alonso's only been a fully fledged manager since Oct 2022. That's 3.5 years. 

 

A couple of years where he did a amazing turnaround at a Leverkusen team that was doomed.

Then a torrid 6 months with Real.

 

And Leverkusen got him from Real Sociedad B team. Which also backs up an opinion that there can be successful managers lurking in places you wouldn't expect to find them.

 

And once again, for the record, I'm not saying Alonso is coming here. He's being used as a hypothetical example.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 23 by bobbydazzla

[Sir Joel Inton]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

If your argument is that a manager should be replaced, it's automatically rightly assumed that you'll want a manager that's better or has a better CV. Why wouldn't you? If your argument is that the club should be looking at rising talent (ironically who Howe was - and has delivered on his potential I should add) then fair enough, but I don't think there's much backing it up as an argument. 

 

I have already explained it to you in the post you quoted, but CV doesn’t equal guaranteed success in football. 
 

I’m suggesting we need a manager who fits the brief of:

 

1. Able to manage a European campaign alongside a successful league one.

2. Good at continuing a positive team culture and morale that Howe has built.

3. Able to manage replacing key players, potentially at short notice, due to our players being at risk of the Sly 6 demanding them.

4. A proven ability to prioritise competitions.

5. Able to develop youth players and bring a steady stream through into the first team or as sellable assets.

 

Those 5 points are much more important than ticking off a CV. Otherwise we’d end up with a Brendon Rogers or Ange.

 

Whether that manager is currently managing Real Madrid or out of work after failing in their previous job in the Bundesliga, it doesn’t matter. Their abilities and potential is more important than binary past success.

 

Arsenal plucked Arteta from being a coach. He’s not done too badly replacing Emery with a greater CV.

 

 

Edited March 23 by Sir Joel Inton

[r0cafella]

Just now, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 Not at all. Only if you're wholly ignorant of the context of football, recruitment and PSR. 

 

The compelling case for keeping him is he has a demonstrable record of over achievement at Newcastle since he has been here. That in the main the players signed under him have been really rather good, but that it's been abudantly clear that we don't have enough quality bodies to compete in the way we as fans would like us to. 

Managing a packed schedule is primarily down to the quality/size of the squad. 

I understand the context as you know. Nobody put a gun to our head and forced us to buy Wissa for 55m did they?

 

Transfer hit rate has obviously taken a massive dive as well. 

 

Time will obviously tell, I expect he gets more time but I wouldn't at all be surprised if we fast forward two years and we are all still having these same debates  

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

He succeeded at Leverkusen with none of those players though, won the league and cup double, ending Bayerns run off 11 straight league titles in the process, went an entire domestic campaign unbeaten and got to a European Final. When he took control the previous season they were in the relegation zone 

 

Also your post is very contradictory. On one hand you're saying he was useless at Real Madrid and immediately after you say he'll have the pick of all the top teams 

 

So are you saying he's good or bad?

 

[Whitley mag]

I’d be happy with a younger unproven manager who has pull and might re-ignite the place a bit.

 

I think Fabregas would be an interesting choice, probably high risk but if he could get us playing good football with an exciting young team I’d be all in.

 

The place needs a shot in the arm, all managers have a sell by date and we’re delaying the inevitable going into next season with Howe. He’s not the man for a big rebuild in my opinion which is now required.

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 Not at all. Only if you're wholly ignorant of the context of football, recruitment and PSR. 

 

The compelling case for keeping him is he has a demonstrable record of over achievement at Newcastle since he has been here. That in the main the players signed under him have been really rather good, but that it's been abudantly clear that we don't have enough quality bodies to compete in the way we as fans would like us to. 

Managing a packed schedule is primarily down to the quality/size of the squad. 

 

 

We bought 6 players into the squad last summer specifically so we would be able to manage the packed schedule. Even with Bruno and Joelinton out we were able to put out a side which cost a shitload more than Sunderland's. But we still lost...again. 

 

We can't keep blaming our tiny squad like we did a couple of seasons ago. We've just bought badly, we spent a load of money on poor players ultimately. 

[Wallsendmag]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

 

Thought he wouldn't have done as badly as was being made out.

[Chicken Dancer]

1 minute ago, Abacus said:

 

But he's since had all those here, and surely no-one expected all those from his time at Bournemouth.

 

So, I'm not sure I followed your point - just that you want a more experienced Champions League qualifying and cup final experienced manager to take his place? They don't grow on trees and ... well... we have one already.

See the above posts from @bobbydazzla which pretty much summarise my thoughts. 
 

Different managers thrive in different environments, and I’d be interested to see some fresh ideas put into the squad.  I’m not saying we need a manager who’s achieved what Howe has here, I’d like some fresh ideas and a tactical overhaul because it’s went very, very stale.

 

When we went from Emery to Howe, like many others I was a tad underwhelmed but he’s proven me wrong and then some. It’s been an amazing 4 years and we will always be grateful - bloke deserves a statue and is held amongst Keegan, Harvey et al as the absolute greatest manager we have ever had. For me he’s #1.
 

It doesn’t mean the performances and results this season have been anything short of completely unacceptable. The problems we had in September are still happening now - that’s bad coaching.

 

I get it - we used to be shit, but that doesn’t mean we should accept being shit now. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Sir Joel Inton said:

I have already explained it to you in the post you quoted, but CV doesn’t equal guaranteed success in football. 
 

I’m suggesting we need a manager who fits the brief of:

 

1. Able to manage a European campaign alongside a successful league one.

2. Good at continuing a positive team culture and morale that Howe has built.

3. Able to manage replacing key players, potentially at short notice, due to our players being at risk of the Sly 6 demanding them.

4. A proven ability to prioritise competitions.

5. Able to develop youth players and bring a steady stream through into the first team or as sellable assets.

 

Those 5 points are much more important than ticking off a CV. Otherwise we’d end up with a Brendon Rogers or Ange.

 

Whether that manager is currently managing Real Madrid or out of work after failing in their previous job in the Bundesliga, it doesn’t matter. Their abilities and potential is more important than binary past success.

 

It's more of a guarantee than no CV, that's why they exist. 

 

If you need a manager who can do those 5 points you want, you're going to need someone with a CV that shows they can do all of that successfully.

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Interesting, looking at the Bournemouth fanbase many stating they wouldn’t take Eddie back now as Iraola, according to them, is a significantly better manager.

 

People on here deride Iraola, but he’s barely had any budget and basically lost his defence in the summer yet he is still developing talent and unearthing gems and playing a good style of football. Imagine what he could do with £500m.

Iraola is apparently going to Sociedad.

[Geordie Ahmed]

I keep seeing people mention the season being under par, which when it comes to the Premier League I absolutely agree, hopefully we can go on a run at the end of the season to get us to par or at least close to it

 

But why are people ignoring LC Semi Final, FA Cup QF and R16 of CL (ultimately being stopped by Barca and City) when judging the season? Surely doing well in those is worthy of uplifting the season from being judged as well under par? Or awful, shite etc as some of the other words being thrown about? 

[gbandit]

Proper shitshow in here it has to be said. Got Jesse Pinkman in what I can only assume is a meth-induced state asking whether the ownership wants us to be a side fighting for trophies or not and if not then to keep Howe. After Howe delivered our first trophy in over half a century

[Wallsendmag]

For all those saying we'd have no chance of landing Alonso (probably cos he once managed Real Madrid), did you expect Everton, the absolute epitome of PL mediocrity, to go out and bring in one of the best and most decorated managers in world football in Carlo Ancelotti?

 

In fact closer to home would bringing in Alonso be a bigger shock to you than when the Mike Ashley NUFC, plummeting to the Championship brought in Rafa Benitez as manager?

 

Nobody knows what might happen so saying X manager will definitely not come here is just plain silly.

 

I hate the use of the word but managers often go to places because they like the "project". If it's of interest to them, they'll be interested themselves.

[Dokko]

19 minutes ago, dcmk said:

He saved a likely relegation.  Overhauled the team in a world of PSR to get us into a Champions League twice.  He won us a domestic cup.  That all seems to be forgotten about because we are now 7 points away from a CL position and lost the Derby twice.

Yes, this season has been awful but he's still the main for a job. 

 

If someone can recognise what materialised in the summer with transfers and no DoF, then they would give the guy the benefit of the doubt considering his success, in a very short time, here.

 

 

 

 

100% saved us from relegation. 100% got us from that level to mixing it with the established lot and without doubt won us a cup, and none of that can be forgotten. But what we've seen since the cup, and tbh, quite a lot of it in the league when managing the 1st CL campaign, is far cry from the team which he cobbled together in those early days, and improved on after. It's been backward steps for a long time now, and the cup win being an anomaly amongst it. 

 

The club have let him down. I've said that on here more than most. Isak situation was ridiculous, but he thought he could keep him, and in the end, only added to the problems leaving us selling at the end of the window and taking desperate punts on replacements. Again, you can argue he shouldn't have been in thst position, and I'd agree, however, he'd argue thst he prefers that level of control, and that then goes back to him. 

 

I'm not even sure how much the board are invested into the club beyond growing its financial profile, but a serious club wouldn't have allowed the summer gone, or the 2 winter windows either side. It also wouldn't allow for the huge dip in quality on the pitch, or allow a manager to have such a hold over the club. It starts at the top, and the top have been non existant for some time now, and although they apparently have the people in place, I've zero confidence in any decision they make on recruitment or manager, and the likes of infrastructure conversations are laughable. Really do wish they'd fuck off and have someone who's primary objective in life is the club, not funneling oil money into vanity projects depending on which day of the week it is.

[Kimbo]

I expect Alonso to be at Liverpool next season, Humpty Dumpty is teetering on the edge.

 

IF we required a new manager I would expect us to be looking at the likes of Hoeness, Fabregas, Italiano, or that prick De Zerbi.

[Robster]

1 hour ago, Jesse Pinkman said:

Interesting, looking at the Bournemouth fanbase many stating they wouldn’t take Eddie back now as Iraola, according to them, is a significantly better manager.

 

People on here deride Iraola, but he’s barely had any budget and basically lost his defence in the summer yet he is still developing talent and unearthing gems and playing a good style of football. Imagine what he could do with £500m

 

 

 

 

What's the chances people said exactly the same about Howe at Bournemouth when he and they were flying high.

Grass is always greener and all that...

[Lush Vlad]

2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

I understand the strength of feeling, that was an absolute horror show performance TBH and losing to them twice in a season is unacceptable.

 

For me the sensible decision is to support Eddie and see what next season brings, I don't want to join the carousel that so many other clubs are currently on: trying to find a coach who can cut it at the top in this league. Eddie has shown he has the potential to do that, anyone else other than proven elite e.g. Pep, Ancelotti would be a bigger risk, that's the way I look at it. 

 

There are many mitigating circumstances for this season, and yet, it's only really been a major disappointment in the league. I find statements that Eddie's teams 'can't compete on multiple fronts' hyperbolic. As the holders we got to the semi-finals in our defence of the league cup, the fifth round of the FA cup after drawing three successive premier league opponents and losing to Man City, and we progressed the furthest we ever have in the CL. We competed fairly well on multiple fronts, I'd suggest. The league form has been a big issue, though, that's undeniable. 

 

I can understand why some are impatient for change, but given the turmoil above him since Eddie took over: AS leaving, Eales's cancer, Ashworth fucking off immediately, the Mitchell disaster, Isak, etc, I'd like to see what Eddie can achieve with relative stability above him. If it doesn't work out and we're not making progress, then fair enough. But I'd like to see it before we move on to a phase we might very quickly be sickened by.

 

 

 

 

I can't make my mind up.  I keep thinking we're going to finish around 10th and that just doesn't feel good enough and with other doubts I have about the way we play, some of the players we target and sign etc.  I think maybe it might be better to move on.

 

Then I read stuff like this post and find myself nodding along and agreeing.  

 

I'm like that Fast Show character in the pub that can't make his mind up and is easily swayed by whatever his mates say  

 

 

Edited March 23 by Lush Vlad

[SUPERTOON]

3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

100% saved us from relegation. 100% got us from that level to mixing it with the established lot and without doubt won us a cup, and none of that can be forgotten. But what we've seen since the cup, and tbh, quite a lot of it in the league when managing the 1st CL campaign, is far cry from the team which he cobbled together in those early days, and improved on after. It's been backward steps for a long time now, and the cup win being an anomaly amongst it. 

 

The club have let him down. I've said that on here more than most. Isak situation was ridiculous, but he thought he could keep him, and in the end, only added to the problems leaving us selling at the end of the window and taking desperate punts on replacements. Again, you can argue he shouldn't have been in thst position, and I'd agree, however, he'd argue thst he prefers that level of control, and that then goes back to him. 

 

I'm not even sure how much the board are invested into the club beyond growing its financial profile, but a serious club wouldn't have allowed the summer gone, or the 2 winter windows either side. It also wouldn't allow for the huge dip in quality on the pitch, or allow a manager to have such a hold over the club. It starts at the top, and the top have been non existant for some time now, and although they apparently have the people in place, I've zero confidence in any decision they make on recruitment or manager, and the likes of infrastructure conversations are laughable. Really do wish they'd fuck off and have someone who's primary objective in life is the club, not funneling oil money into vanity projects depending on which day of the week it is.

I don’t think Howe wanted to keep Isak at all fwiw. If it was up to him he would have been gone early in the summer. 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

I keep seeing people mention the season being under par, which when it comes to the Premier League I absolutely agree, hopefully we can go on a run at the end of the season to get us to par or at least close to it

 

But why are people ignoring LC Semi Final, FA Cup QF and R16 of CL (ultimately being stopped by Barca and City) when judging the season? Surely doing well in those is worthy of uplifting the season from being judged as well under par? Or awful, shite etc as some of the other words being thrown about? 

League is the bread and butter and we absolutely need European football next season is probably why. 

 

Plus if you break it down it's as follows imo. 

 

League (most important ) under par so far

Cl par (let's not compare this format to others it's night and day and easy work for clubs with big budgets)

Fa cup par

League cup slightly above par. 

 

Throw in the nature of the performances throughout the season with us often looking poorly coached, brittle defensively and struggling to create chances it's not been pretty. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

8 minutes ago, Sir Joel Inton said:

 

1) Possibly, yes. If we start utilising a tactical approach to bring out the best in them (such as Woltemade) rather than having square pegs in round holes.

 

 

2)We will still require that. Nobody is disputing otherwise.

 

 

3)It’s definitely a valid concern. We cannot afford to purchase more players who are one dimensional wedded to Howe’s system.

 

 

4) Because the current tactical approach doesn’t allow those players to operate to their best abilities, or we’re playing the wrong players in the wrong games.

 

 

5) Correct. Underperforming with absolutely no indication we will suddenly start to perform. I’m currently more confident that we’ll end up below that ‘par’ position, rather than at it or above. That’d be a failure with significant financial and sporting consequences.

 

 

The same questions and concerns have been said for some time, after both wins and losses.

 

 

I’d argue it’s more shorttermism to stay with Howe. After all, we know we may qualify for Europe but then need to replace him after that as he’s unable to manage a European campaign.

 

Your opinion doing some heavy lifting here. We purchase players who are one dimensional and wedded to Howe's system but those same players cannot operate to the best of their abilities in the system they were seemignly signed in order to be wedded to? 

If we had a goalscorer and a goalkeeper we'd have been a load better this season, we're really not a million miles away from where we want to be (look at the points we've lost from winning positions). 

By your own metric Howe has achieved two successes with significant financial and sporting consequences and then you go on to advocate getting rid of him if he did it again. 

 

[Shadow Puppets]

10 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

I’d be happy with a younger unproven manager who has pull and might re-ignite the place a bit.

 

I think Fabregas would be an interesting choice, probably high risk but if he could get us playing good football with an exciting young team I’d be all in.

 

The place needs a shot in the arm, all managers have a sell by date and we’re delaying the inevitable going into next season with Howe. He’s not the man for a big rebuild in my opinion which is now required.

You’d be happy with a “younger unproven manager” over a proven manager who has delivered our very best days, proven time and time again (here and at Bournemouth) that he’s an excellent coach, one that the players love and respect… just because of one underwhelming season where we’ve still made some incredible memories?

 

Apologies if this comes across as harsh, but I think that is absolutely mental and incredibly short sighted.

[Wallsendmag]

5 minutes ago, Kimbo said:

I expect Alonso to be at Liverpool next season, Humpty Dumpty is teetering on the edge.

 

IF we required a new manager I would expect us to be looking at the likes of Hoeness, Fabregas, Italiano, or that prick De Zerbi.

 

If Liverpool get Champions League again and win the FA Cup (I mean they could still win the CL but I can't see it) I don't think they'd get rid of Slot.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

12 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

We bought 6 players into the squad last summer specifically so we would be able to manage the packed schedule. Even with Bruno and Joelinton out we were able to put out a side which cost a shitload more than Sunderland's. But we still lost...again. 

 

We can't keep blaming our tiny squad like we did a couple of seasons ago. We've just bought badly, we spent a load of money on poor players ultimately. 

 

What was the net gain in terms of first team players in versus first team players out.  

We spent a lot of money on Elanga, Wissa and Woltemade. I think Elanga will end up being ok, Woltemade is not a poor player and I really expected a lot more from Wissa. 

[Yorkie]

For those who are in the camp of wanting him to be sacked, I'd be curious to know what stock they put in all things not results based. Like how he represents the club publicly, his commitment to the job, how he "gets it," how he stacks up to his peers in terms of things like touchline conduct.

 

Not trying to be incendiary with the question; I'd extend it to those in the camp of wanting him to stay as well. For me, that stuff means a great deal and provides a fair amount of my reasoning for why I want him to stay. The scales would get tipped eventually or course. 

[Dokko]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I don’t think Howe wanted to keep Isak at all fwiw. If it was up to him he would have been gone early in the summer. 

 

Really?  It didn't feel like thst for me at the time. I think he believed his relationship with him would keep him here.