Eddie Howe

[Jaqen]

I mean if you said at the start of the campaign we'd be above Man United, Spurs and Villa and in a cup final at this point of the season you'd have taken it no hesitation. 

 

I'm not really sure how it's a failure on our or Eddies part that Bournemouth and Forest are having crazy good seasons this year. 

 

Our form over Eddie's whole tenure here is European qualification level so even if you want to view things from a negative or critical angle at worst we are on par for where we 'should' be. 

 

 

[Displayname]

Talk of how we are doing compared to x and how many points we are below/above x spot goes both ways like. 

Eddie should just be based on our own performance imo, ie how many points we get. 

Think we are just about were we are should be in the league, with 1 fantastic cup run and one disappointing one. 

Slightly concerning that we have looked rather poor for the most part expect for that one insane month tbh.

[Chicken Dancer]

I understand what you’re all saying and was not meant to discredit Bournemouth or Forest whatsoever. They’ve both been mint.

 

I still stand by what I said. This version of Newcastle should not be finishing below either, especially with no European football or injury crisis. If 4th/5th points ends up being about the average and we don’t get there at the expense of either, then I think that could be considered a failure of a season. Obviously if we win the cup I’d be delighted to finish 17th.

[Yorkie]

Points between 3rd place and 9th place:

 

2014/15 - 21

2015/16 - 19

2016/17 - 32

2017/18 - 30

2018/19 - 30

2019/20 - 12 

2020/21 - 10 (BCD season)

2021/22 - 23

2022/23 - 16

2023/24 - 30

2025/25 - 6*

 

*unfinished

 

It's just insanely tight this year, and the standard across the top half especially is very high, which has been incredibly punishing most notably for ManU and Spurs. The team who finishes 9th are set to finish on a record high number of points. 

 

Being in pole position to get a CL spot given that context - and given we haven't been able to add to the squad where others have - is commendable. We do need to improve though if we're going to sustain it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

22 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

I understand what you’re all saying and was not meant to discredit Bournemouth or Forest whatsoever. They’ve both been mint.

 

I still stand by what I said. This version of Newcastle should not be finishing below either, especially with no European football or injury crisis. If 4th/5th points ends up being about the average and we don’t get there at the expense of either, then I think that could be considered a failure of a season. Obviously if we win the cup I’d be delighted to finish 17th.

 

But isn't that based on how those teams normally do? Which is much worse than they're doing now?

[LionOfGosforth]

1 hour ago, LiquidAK said:

 

 

This said it all really. What a transparently miserable way of framing Howe's achievements at Bournemouth

 

He does this after almost every defeat but tends to disappear when we've won and it's always a bad faith argument, with no intention of taking on anyone else's views.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

4 hours ago, Matt1892 said:

It was more a moan about us spending so much and still having Murphy as our best right winger.

I hate it when we sign quality players. 

[Chicken Dancer]

14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

But isn't that based on how those teams normally do? Which is much worse than they're doing now?

Yes and no really. If either go on a mad one until May and wind up with well north of 70pts then fair play. If they end up with about the average and we don’t then we’ve failed. 

[Matt1892]

2 hours ago, Interpolic said:

@Matt1892 is desperate to find some metric to use to claim Howe has underachieved so he should be sacked, this was him this time last year:

 

 

Absolutely we should have been speaking with other managers, if we can attract better we should and we also should be speaking with other managers if we don’t qualify for Europe this season either.

 

No European football is the reason we can’t spend this season.

[Hanshithispantz]

Going behind Howe's back any speaking with other managers is insane like, fucking howay man 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Hanshithispantz

[Colos Short and Curlies]

3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Going behind Howe's back any speaking with other managers is insane like, fucking howay man 

 

 

 

 

I agree its shady, but is really any different to speaking to agents of players who we want to bring in to replace those here now?

[Big River]

people live on a different fucking planet, I swear

 

aye, elite level managers are probably queuing up round the block to inherit a stale squad that hasn't been allowed to improve in 3 transfer windows.

 

it wasn't that long ago we won 9 games in a row ffs  fickle morons

 

he's a miracle worker as far as I'm concerned, and has been for his entire time here

[Yorkie]

18 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

No European football is the reason we can’t spend this season

 

No it isn't.

 

Some absolutely bullshit rules is why we haven't been able to spend. 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

49 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Points between 3rd place and 9th place:

 

2014/15 - 21

2015/16 - 19

2016/17 - 32

2017/18 - 30

2018/19 - 30

2019/20 - 12 

2020/21 - 10 (BCD season)

2021/22 - 23

2022/23 - 16

2023/24 - 30

2025/25 - 6*

 

*unfinished

 

It's just insanely tight this year, and the standard across the top half especially is very high, which has been incredibly punishing most notably for ManU and Spurs. The team who finishes 9th are set to finish on a record high number of points. 

 

Being in pole position to get a CL spot given that context - and given we haven't been able to add to the squad where others have - is commendable. We do need to improve though if we're going to sustain it.

 

There are 4 crazy seasons in there with 30 point gaps, take them and the BCD season out and you're looking at about 18 points average (its 21 with them included). I reckon by the time we get to May the gap will be nearer that than the 6 it currently is.

 

City will go on a run and pick up 7 or 8 wins from the remaining 11, Forest have peaked and will pretty much spread the games across W/L/D, Bournemouth will do slightly better with maybe 5 wins, fuck knows with us, we could win 8 or lose 8 of the remaining games, Brighton and Fulham will do the same as Forest. Villa have a game less and are as erratic as we are

[Nine]

This place is hilarious sometimes 

[Monters]

7 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

No it isn't.

 

Some absolutely bullshit rules is why we haven't been able to spend. 

Hahaha totally agree, just look at the millions Chelsea are raking in from the conference league  

We would stand a realistic chance of winning it but given the potential to derail a domestic season I'm not sure I'd want to be in it and I can't see it being a massive carrot for the players either

[Kid Icarus]

55 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Points between 3rd place and 9th place:

 

2014/15 - 21

2015/16 - 19

2016/17 - 32

2017/18 - 30

2018/19 - 30

2019/20 - 12 

2020/21 - 10 (BCD season)

2021/22 - 23

2022/23 - 16

2023/24 - 30

2025/25 - 6*

 

*unfinished

 

It's just insanely tight this year, and the standard across the top half especially is very high, which has been incredibly punishing most notably for ManU and Spurs. The team who finishes 9th are set to finish on a record high number of points. 

 

Being in pole position to get a CL spot given that context - and given we haven't been able to add to the squad where others have - is commendable. We do need to improve though if we're going to sustain it.

 

Just had a cursory glance at week-by-week points difference and by this point last season it was already 20 points...with us in 10th.

[Matt1892]

12 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

No it isn't.

 

Some absolutely bullshit rules is why we haven't been able to spend. 

European football means a higher revenue meaning we have more flexibility with what we can spend.

 

 

[Kid Icarus]

40 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

Absolutely we should have been speaking with other managers, if we can attract better we should and we also should be speaking with other managers if we don’t qualify for Europe this season either.

 

No European football is the reason we can’t spend this season.

 

The elite managers I imagine you're alluding to simply don't thrive when they can't spend. The best examples you'll ever get of obviously good managers getting the maximum out of a limited squad are few and far between, presumably because the best managers don't go to clubs that don't spend, or when they do they don't overachieve. You're talking Ancelotti at Everton, imo Howe here, Rafa here post-promotion and then after that no one you can hang your hat on. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Vinny Green Balls]

50 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

Absolutely we should have been speaking with other managers, if we can attract better we should and we also should be speaking with other managers if we don’t qualify for Europe this season either.

 

No European football is the reason we can’t spend this season.

And if your current manager finds out you are speaking to other managers, which he likely will, that will do even more wonders for the team. Because you’ll get brilliant performances from those who feel completely undermined.

 

Have some of you just lived in a basement all your life, and never worked with actual humans?

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

Absolutely we should have been speaking with other managers, if we can attract better we should and we also should be speaking with other managers if we don’t qualify for Europe this season either.

 

No European football is the reason we can’t spend this season.

So if we had gotten conference league you think we would have spent money ?

[Jackie Broon]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

European football means a higher revenue meaning we have more flexibility with what we can spend.

 

 

 

Unless it's the CL the additional revenue probably only just covers the additional cost of bonus for European qualification. Even then, we didn't actually make that much from the CL because it's fixed to pay out more to the regular CL qualifiers.

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jackie Broon

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

5 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Unless it's the CL the additional revenue probably only just covers the additional cost of bonus for European qualification. Even then, we didn't actually make that much from the CL because it's fixed to pay out more to the regular CL qualifiers.

 

 

 

Aye and typically the format changes the year after, which would’ve meant we’d have made more money if we'd qualified this year instead of last. It’s just bad luck on the clubs part, overachieving CL qualification early IMO

[Dr Venkman]

1892 shit opinions.

[The College Dropout]

Forest don't have to do great to get to 65ish points. 5 wins, 2 draws, 4 defeats. Tough fixtures though.

 

We have to be pretty good to get the same points.