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6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

So what’s everyone’s opinion on Favre ? I don’t know enough about him to have one tbh.

Good, very good. Attacking fotball, allways used younger players. I think he lack som tactical knowledge in hard games. He also uses the sub wrong almost 75 % time. But good watching his team. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

So what’s everyone’s opinion on Favre ? I don’t know enough about him to have one tbh.

On 09/10/2021 at 08:50, stlouismag said:

 

I'm also someone who's followed BvB closely for several years now since we've been so shit. Favre was an incredibly frustrating manager who couldn't get it done with an amazingly talented roster. He micro-managed the offensive players into being afraid to shoot while leaving the defense in positions to give away stupid goals almost every match. His subs were too late and rarely helped. He also seemed almost in tears on the sideline when things went sideways once the pressure of under-achieving built.

 

With this group of NUFC players and the expectations here? No way.

 

There's been several posts from folks who watch BvB a lot. Hate to quote myself, but can't be arsed to retype it. 

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Would happily take a potentially flawed foreign manager with a record similar to Favre for the simple reason that it will be easier to move them on if it doesn't work out or we reach a ceiling with what they are able to achieve. 

 

The danger you run with any domestic manager and especially a media favourite like Gerrard is the pressure to "give them time" well beyond what their actual achievements may merit, which has the potential to significantly halt some of the momentum that has/will be generated and the level of progress we'll be able to make in the next couple of years. 

 

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Proven nothing:

 

“He has won 3 Champions Leagues, 2 Club World Cups, 2 European Super Cups, 2 Spanish Leagues and 2 Spanish Super Cups in 209 matches, one every 19 matches.”

With a team full of world class superstars that had largely been assembled before he got there. In terms of domestic honours, Real Madrid and Barca pretty much win everything every year anyway.

Roberto Di Matteo won the Champions League. Does that make him class? 


I’ve no doubt Zidane has more managerial ability in his little fingernail than Bruce has, but that doesn’t mean he’s the right manager for our current situation. 

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7 minutes ago, gdm said:

All this is some kind of dream isn’t it? mind when Joe kinnear was director of football with pardew as manager :lol:

And now people are thinking of snubbing Zinedine fucking Zidane cos “anyone could win trophies with Real Madrid”.[emoji38]

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14 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

Very impressive appointment by the way. Klopp rates him as a big influence.  Ragnick appointment implies your ownership is interested in establishing a style of play, footballing identity rather than the Chelsea or City or PSG approach immediately after takeover which was buy every player available.

 

If this goes through and if Ragnick is given control, expect your managers to be from the German Austrian gegenpressing school - Hassenhuttl, Klopp, Marsch, Nagelsmann rather than Rafa, Conte, Mourinho family. Potter and Rodgers could be two local names which fit within that ideology. Ragnick focuses on managers style of play and ethos rather than past trophies or successes.  He wants successive managers to be of the same style of play so that there is continuity. 

 

Very similar to Rafa -  believes in system above individuals, overall holistic improvement of all aspects of the club - youth team, diet, facilities, etc. Biggest difference is the style of play. I just don't see Rafa's pragmatic style of play fitting with Ragnick's footballing vision which is all about front foot, dynamic, in your face attacking football.   

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Pep has had teams of superstars his entire career and he’s only won 2. 

Would Pep be right for us now? No, I don’t think he would.

Zidane has proven that he can take a team full of world class stars and take them from perennial winners of some stuff to perennial winners of other stuff. And yes, the Champions league wins are a huge achievement.

Pep has proven that he can play great football with expensive teams of world class superstars and go on to win trophies.

 

The one thing Pep has done, however, is follow up on his initial success with other successes, at different teams and in different leagues.

I’d want to see Zidane follow up his success of managing world class stars to European glory at at least another club. I’m not suggesting he’s unproven but certain circumstances suit certain managers and then they can’t repeat their initial success elsewhere.

Rafa is a perfect example of what I’m talking about - he’s done it in La liga, the championship, the premier league, the champions league, Italy etc. 

 

Also see Bielsa, Tuchel, Conte etc. 
 

That’s the kind of manager I think we need. Not someone who has done it in one place but a manager who has proven their ability in multiple places. 
 

 

 

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I'm all for Ragnarok as well.

 

But I also think we need a transitional manager who is used to working with a limited squad rather than expecting everyone to be a galactico, because there are different skills needed to manage players from where we are to where we'd like to be.

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3 minutes ago, Abacus said:

I'm all for Ragnarok as well.

 

But I also think we need a transitional manager who is used to working with a limited squad rather than expecting everyone to be a galactico, because there are different skills needed to manage players from where we are to where we'd like to be.

Which is why I think many would quite like Potter

 

 

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9 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I don’t disagree that zidane isn’t right for us now. I just massively disagree he hasn’t proven anything. Pep has yeah but you could argue outside of Messi he hasn’t been able to do anything in the CL. 
 

I’d say it was the exact opposite, lots of managers fail even with superstars, he did a phenomenal job at Real Madrid, I genuinely don’t think it will ever be repeated. Huge egos and personalities like at Real have to respect the manager. I would take zidane at a time when we had a stacked team, 100 Percent. Just think he’s unfairly maligned for a guy who won 3 successive CLs

 

It depends what you consider proven - it’s pretty subjective really. 
He’s proven he can repeatedly win the Champions League and domestic honours in Spain with a team of world stars. An incredible achievement, no doubt.

He hasn’t proven he can manage mediocre teams into good or even great ones in other leagues. 


Could he do it? Probably. But I’d rather we hire a manager who has a proven record at the latter now. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, nbthree3 said:

Only way you can prove something is by doing it 

Exactly, but you minimise your risk and maximise your chances of success by hiring someone that has already done it elsewhere, rather than HOPING your next hire does it with you. 

 

 

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