Eddie Howe

[Minhosa]

The word when he was appointed was that the board was split 50/50 on him and Emery.

 

If the Saudi's wanted Emery and PCP wanted Howe, I'd suggest that might be a position that is very hard to recover from.

 

If it's the other way around then Saudi will be quick to dispatch him imho unless there's a significant turn of events....

 

Whichever way you chop it, even the least demanding NUFC fan/employer would have anticipated a FAR better points return than he's managed to date and in an environment where EVERYTHING has been set up for him. Crowd completely on side, pretty much universal acceptance of his appointment, a new ownership with a complete clean slate, he's got 2 signings in fairly quickly and he's also had ZERO negative press.

 

He literally couldn't ask for better circumstances surrounding his overall employment.

 

He's the man who turned up, laptop in hand and wowed the owners about how he could get so much more from the current playing squad also, as we are led to believe. Bar Joelinton, that hasn't happened.

 

No two ways about it, he's currently failing and needs wins quickly. Preferably back to back to reverse this trend of disappointment.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Minhosa

[Infinitely Content]

1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Against Burnley he brought on Fernandez and went to a back 3 to tighten up and we did look more solid and saw the game out. If we were intending to sit back then I don't know why he didn't do the same, move Dummett to a CB in a 3 and bring Lewis on to play LWB. First time I've had questions of Howe was yesterday and I hope he can provide the answers and still believe he can but needs help in the transfer market. This squad is finished.

To be fair to Eddie Howe, there's evidence to suggest he wasn't, and isn't intending to retreat into a passive, defensive structure to protect leads. I was watching him on the touchline yesterday and he was repeatedly urging the players to move up the pitch as they began to retreat in the final 20 minutes of the game. 

It appears that he's still trying to work on the players' mentalities, which remain timid and apprehensive after taking the lead in a game, often fearing the worst which is naturally causing them to retreat. It's understandable, they've been instructed to do so under previous management and thus developed that habit which can't be undone quickly in those high pressure moments.

I hope we all stay behind him. Indeed we had all hoped a style of play would be implemented and be more apparent by now, a style that makes us look more cohesive and threatening in games, however there's little to be achieved by asking questions of whether he was the right appointment or not. They're not going to change the manager at this stage, and rightly so in my opinion. I still believe the tide could turn this season, I've witnessed seemingly miraculous changes in fortune plenty of times watching the Premier League over the years; where teams which appear to be lacking all confidence and ability are transformed and renewed in a moment. Whilst we are getting increasingly closer to requiring such a transformation and renewal, there's still time for us, and I'm certain Howe and his team are doing all they can. It will be hurting him.

We need a Joelinton-esque rebirth to be embodied by the full side.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Infinitely Content

[HaydnNUFC]

2 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

To be fair to Eddie Howe, there's evidence to suggest he wasn't, and isn't intending to retreat into a passive, defensive structure to protect leads. I was watching him on the touchline yesterday and he was repeatedly urging the players to move up the pitch as they began to retreat in the final 20 minutes of the game. 

It appears that he's still trying to work on the players' mentalities, which remain timid and apprehensive after taking the lead in a game, often fearing the worst which is naturally causing them to retreat. It's understandable, they've been instructed to do so under previous management and thus developed that habit which can't be undone quickly in those high pressure moments.

I hope we all stay behind him. Indeed we had all hoped a style of play would be implemented and be more apparent by now, a style that makes us look more cohesive and threatening in games, however there's little to be achieved by asking questions of whether he was the right appointment or not. They're not going to change the manager at this stage, and rightly so in my opinion. I still believe the tide could turn this season, I've witnessed seemingly miraculous changes in fortune plenty of times watching the Premier League over the years; where teams which appear to be lacking all confidence and ability are transformed and renewed in a moment. Whilst we are getting increasingly closer to requiring such a transformation and renewal, there's still time for us, and I'm certain Howe and his team are doing all they can. It will be hurting him.

We need a Joelinton-esque rebirth to be embodied by the full side.

 

 

 

 

Need signings.

[AJ9]

Needs to get some fucking wins sharpish, or the pressure will be too much, with Rafa hanging about.

[TRon]

12 minutes ago, Infinitely Content said:

To be fair to Eddie Howe, there's evidence to suggest he wasn't, and isn't intending to retreat into a passive, defensive structure to protect leads. I was watching him on the touchline yesterday and he was repeatedly urging the players to move up the pitch as they began to retreat in the final 20 minutes of the game. 

It appears that he's still trying to work on the players' mentalities, which remain timid and apprehensive after taking the lead in a game, often fearing the worst which is naturally causing them to retreat. It's understandable, they've been instructed to do so under previous management and thus developed that habit which can't be undone quickly in those high pressure moments.

I hope we all stay behind him. Indeed we had all hoped a style of play would be implemented and be more apparent by now, a style that makes us look more cohesive and threatening in games, however there's little to be achieved by asking questions of whether he was the right appointment or not. They're not going to change the manager at this stage, and rightly so in my opinion. I still believe the tide could turn this season, I've witnessed seemingly miraculous changes in fortune plenty of times watching the Premier League over the years; where teams which appear to be lacking all confidence and ability are transformed and renewed in a moment. Whilst we are getting increasingly closer to requiring such a transformation and renewal, there's still time for us, and I'm certain Howe and his team are doing all they can. It will be hurting him.

We need a Joelinton-esque rebirth to be embodied by the full side.

 

 

 

 

Yep. He came as close as he's done to criticising the players yesterday, he said he was disappointed we dropped back to defend the lead rather than go for the jugular. I think he needs to show this side more, people are starting to wonder if he's too nice to be an effective manager. My main gripe is his choice of players to implement his way of playing, we are running out of games for him to learn as he's going along. 

[RealGoneKid]

I do wonder whether in his pitch for the job he told the board that he could make a silk purse out of a sows ear ? I was kind of expecting deals to be lined up and sorted on the first day of the window 

[RealGoneKid]

Needs some rougher management style 

 

 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

Just now, RealGoneKid said:

I do wonder whether in his pitch for the job he told the board that he could make a silk purse out of a sows ear ? I was kind of expecting deals to be lined up and sorted on the first day of the window 

Wasn’t he supposed to have delivered a very convincing presentation at his interview on the squad’s strengths, weaknesses, how to get them to play a different way etc?

 

I doubt he went to the interview and said actually “I need Botman, Carlos, Van De Beek and Trippier” to get any results.

[nufcnick]

hopefully we’re now doing with Rafa what spurs were doing with Conte, getting everything in place of over the next few games things don’t go right to make a change in days instead of weeks 

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, nufcnick said:

hopefully we’re now doing with Rafa what spurs were doing with Conte, getting everything in place of over the next few games things don’t go right to make a change in days instead of weeks 

You'd have to think there is a huge temptation from the owners to do just that. He's the one they wanted all along.

[HWTL]

26 minutes ago, alijmitchell said:

Needs to get some fucking wins sharpish, or the pressure will be too much, with Rafa hanging about.

Rafa couldn't get a tune out of Everton with a much better squad, yes there players also seem to have lost there way and he has worked with most of ours but that was awhile ago and there done now. Can't see him doing any better. 

[duo]

1 hour ago, Elliottman said:

We have zero midfield, a horrific back line and our best forward is injured. There’s no way this set of players can play the way he wants them to play, there’s not enough athleticism in the team. Until he’s got some of his own players in, I’m not going to be over ally harsh on him, it’s pointless. 

His job is not getting the team to play the way he wants but getting the team to play in a way that suits the players.  That's where Rafa was king - he nailed it.

[Beth]

2 hours ago, Amir_9 said:

How is it we're halfway through the window and we still do not have a CB in? You seriously telling me we can't find anyone short term better than the shit we've got?

Because any half decent one does not want to come. We could offer Lille £50M for Botman and him £200k a week and he still wouldn't come. Some people on here need to wake up and realise it isn't 1996 anymore.

[Beth]

1 minute ago, ManDoon said:

So that’s the only option? That’s ridiculous. There are loads of professional footballers around. 

Of course, but just pointing out why the better ones won't come to us.

[nufcnick]

21 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

You'd have to think there is a huge temptation from the owners to do just that. He's the one they wanted all along.

I think Mandy really could have made a phone call today TBH 

[Minhosa]

Just now, nufcnick said:

I think Mandy really could have made a phone call today TBH 

It's not unthinkable tbf and, either way, he'll soon become quite the shadow on Howe's back tbh.

[Beth]

Just now, ManDoon said:

But better than what we have? Tarkowski would come here. 

Isn't he a free at the end of the season? Would be the end for Burnley if we poached him like. 

[Superior Acuña]

10 games isn't enough to judge (remember KK's 2nd stint), and he came into a hard situation, but I did expect more. Doubts could start creeping soon, but regardless of doubts I hope fans stay positive at least inside stadium as long as we're in with a shout of staying up.

[Dokko]

The new owners have stitched him up like. Bet he like us thought we just needed to get to the window and we'd buy our way out of trouble, yet 16 days in and we're not much better off. Wood is backup to Wilson and Trippier, although a very good player, was in a position we weren't massively crying out for. Like everything the owners have done so far they've bumbled their way through it at a snails pace without any real understanding of the criticality of our position. I'm starting to see why Emery had reservations, they've got no clue on how to run a football club and we don't have time for them to skill up. They had a great chance to set the club on the correct path but its the pennywise pound foolishness which will see us down. It should have been so different.

[The Prophet]

It probably goes against the the grain but I think up until Cambridge there was a plan and a gradual improvements could be seen in the side. Watford is probably the worst home league performance we've seen under Howe, purely down to how pedestrian we were.

 

I think a lot of it is down to confidence. The side play with none of it. Cambridge may have knocked the stuffing out of them, while losing points late on v Norwich and Man United will have them doubting their ability to see out games. Winning is a habit, but unfortunately so is failing to do so.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by The Prophet

[Minhosa]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

The new owners have stitched him up like. Bet he like us thought we just needed to get to the window and we'd buy our way out of trouble, yet 16 days in and we're not much better off. Wood is backup to Wilson and Trippier, although a very good player, was in a position we weren't massively crying out for. Like everything the owners have done so far they've bumbled their way through it at a snails pace without any real understanding of the criticality of our position. I'm starting to see why Emery had reservations, they've got no clue on how to run a football club and we don't have time for them to skill up. They had a great chance to set the club on the correct path but its the pennywise pound foolishness which will see us down. It should have been so different.

Have to say, I think thats really unfair.

 

They've been a revelation in terms of comms, their clearly working their nuts off trying to get business done in what is a horrible month to do it + every fucker adding a massive Saudi premium.

 

They've brought in a current England international and a forward they didn't even know they needed when the window opened.

 

I remain very grateful to them.

[Elliottman]

50 minutes ago, duo said:

His job is not getting the team to play the way he wants but getting the team to play in a way that suits the players.  That's where Rafa was king - he nailed it.

Rafa didn’t nail it in 10 games. 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

Have to say, I think thats really unfair.

 

They've been a revelation in terms of comms, their clearly working their nuts off trying to get business done in what is a horrible month to do it + every fucker adding a massive Saudi premium.

 

They've brought in a current England international and a forward they didn't even know they needed when the window opened.

 

I remain very grateful to them.

 

I'm grateful Ashley is no longer with us. I like the care Staveley has for the club, but that doesn't win you points and stop you being relegated. They are sleepwalking in to relegation, we need to start taking punts on players from abroad and stop selling the PFM line of needing league experience. We have that currently, its doing fuck all for us. 

[MarkyMark]

2 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

I'm grateful Ashley is no longer with us. I like the care Staveley has for the club, but that doesn't win you points and stop you being relegated. They are sleepwalking in to relegation, we need to start taking punts on players from abroad and stop selling the PFM line of needing league experience. We have that currently, its doing fuck all for us. 

All of the current squad has PL experience.  I do wonder why no-one who gives it the ‘PL experience’ line ever remembers that. 

[Ronaldo]

5 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

Rafa didn’t nail it in 10 games. 

Took him about 4.