Eddie Howe

[wormy]

Considering how soon it's been announced I assume even the non-public portion of the vote ended before the end of the season? May have played a factor if they still had a chance of winning the title. Still don't even know why they bother with a public vote if what I've read on here is true and it barely makes up 5-10% of the final decision. 

 

Still would've given it to Frank if it wasn't going to go to Howe. 

[Kid Icarus]

8 hours ago, et tu brute said:

It's a fan vote did anyone expect anything else than the scousers/glory hunters voting en masse.

Howe won the fan vote, but it's only worth 5% or something

[Guest]

I saw someone on Twitter saying Arteta didn’t have the same spending power as Howe this season. Think they spent the most in the whole league.

[Hanshithispantz]

I mean either Klopp or Pep do 'deserve' it like, but it just renders the whole award pointless. They basically just did what is expected of them and their squads, as impressive as that is.

 

Howe and Frank both performed well beyond what was expected. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[Dr Venkman]

18 hours ago, gbandit said:

Possibly the thing that gives me the most confidence in him as a manager is how quickly he found out which players needed to be sidelined. He made all the right choices and even though myself and others were thinking Manquillo was the right call

over Krafth, he proved us wrong with that as well. A combo of getting 100% out of every player on the pitch coupled with the right calls on who to sideline shows how gifted this guy is, and that’s before we touch on other things like creating unity in the squad, keeping players onside who aren’t getting game time, setting us up to play attractive football. We’re lucky to have him 

This isn’t how I remember it. He was starting the wrong players regularly for about a month e.g Clark against Norwich…Darlow against Brentford.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Dr Venkman

[Hanshithispantz]

Tbf he was probably getting bad info from the club staff. It was annoying as fuck at the time because I'd only seen a handful of our games in a couple of years and I knew he shouldn't have been starting Clarke or playing Ritchie and Murphy as wing backs

 

9nce they fucked up once or twice (which was soon) they were gone though.

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[nbthree3]

Earlier on he was doing things out of necessity, before he came there was talk in the interview he was discussing how to get the best from all the players. He studied it at length and spoke to the owners pre-takeover so even then knew what to expect for when it did go through out of the blue.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if he gave them a chance to show themselves while trying to work with what he had - before that Leeds turning point it was 1 win in 10 or something like that so we've come a long way

[JumpersForGoalposts]

Absolute crock of shit Klopp winning it. He's taken the 2nd best squad to 2nd in the league. Howe has taken a squad from 19th to 11th. If Real beat the scousers in the CL final, the award looks even worse - well done for winning the League Cup. Not that it should even matter.

 

Klopp is a darling though, with his scampish laugh. He was always going to win it.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by JumpersForGoalposts

[Kid Icarus]

How on earth can you possibly give the manager who's finished second with one of the two best squads in the league the manager of the season? Personally think Frank should have won it, but I'd also have put Howe, Conte, Guardiola, and Vieira before Klopp. If Klopp had won the league, fair enough, but they're obviously allowing the F.A Cup, League Cup, potential Champion's League and almost getting a quadrule to shape their thinking. 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Yorkie]

Klopp's achievements with Liverpool are absolutely remarkable and can't be understated - I'd even argue that his achievements are greater than Pep's given the difference in resources and their respective starting positions - but purely contained to this season's Premier League campaign, it doesn't make an iota of sense. They're an incredible team and incredibly coached but ultimately they/he were bettered and he should've been the first discounted for that reason.

 

I really think Brentford being absolutely nowhere near relegation, going on at least one really fantastic run of form, signings of Ajer/Wissa/Eriksen, turning Toney into a Premier League striker... that surely is a greater achievement in the context of the domestic league season than Klopp taking Liverpool to second. 

 

Howe's achievements obviously go without saying. Vieira, nah.

 

Ah well. 

[Hanshithispantz]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Klopp's achievements with Liverpool are absolutely remarkable and can't be understated - I'd even argue that his achievements are greater than Pep's given the difference in resources and their respective starting positions - but purely contained to this season's Premier League campaign, it doesn't make an iota of sense. They're an incredible team and incredibly coached but ultimately they/he were bettered and he should've been the first discounted for that reason.

 

I really think Brentford being absolutely nowhere near relegation, going on at least one really fantastic run of form, signings of Ajer/Wissa/Eriksen, turning Toney into a Premier League striker... that surely is a greater achievement in the context of the domestic league season than Klopp taking Liverpool to second. 

 

Howe's achievements obviously go without saying. Vieira, nah.

 

Ah well. 

100%

 

Pep and Klopp's achievements are largely based off the work they've put in in previous seasons. That's not to take anything away from them this season, as they've both done exceptionally well to maintain their dominance, but their achievements in the league are at a plateau really. They've built the car and now they're basically just servicing it. 

 

Howe took over arguably the worst side in the league after 11 games and earned 44 points. If we go from Leeds, which is when his work started to sink in and our run of form kicked in he took 38 points from 18 games, 5 less than Pep, and 10 less than Liverpool. 3 more than Conte and 6 more than Tuchel.

 

The stats are sort of selective but not arbitrarily so, we've been pushing certain Champions League form for half a season; this form would have had us a point off winning the league (-GD) the year Leicester won it ffs 

[Groundhog63]

Not being contrarian for the sake of it but, if the argument against Klopp is it's a Premier League award and should be confined to that, does it not matter what other comps the team's played in count? 

Finishing 2nd in the league whilst also reaching 2 domestic and 1 international finals is an achievement. Definitely decent management of a squad over said season. Admittedly with far superior resources than all but 1 other club.

 

Lampard and Viera no where near, for me, nor Pep.

 

 

[Tsunami]

Thomas Frank I suspect

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Not being contrarian for the sake of it but, if the argument against Klopp is it's a Premier League award and should be confined to that, does it not matter what other comps the team's played in count? 

Finishing 2nd in the league whilst also reaching 2 domestic and 1 international finals is an achievement. Definitely decent management of a squad over said season. Admittedly with far superior resources than all but 1 other club.

 

Lampard and Viera no where near, for me, nor Pep.

 

 

 

Even taking this into account, the same applies to Man City who also won the league. 

[Groundhog63]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Even taking this into account, the same applies to Man City who also won the league. 

But didn't get to 3 finals as well. Stretched, not so much.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

But didn't get to 3 finals as well. Stretched, not so much.

 

Liverpool will have played an extra 4 matches over Man City after the Champions League final. 

 

League Cup quarter, semi, final
FA Cup Final
Champions League final

 

minus the Community Shield

 

I don't think that's enough to win Premier League Manager of the Season above the manager who actually won it. 

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

It should've been Frank.

[Groundhog63]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Liverpool will have played an extra 4 matches over Man City after the Champions League final. 

 

League Cup quarter, semi, final
FA Cup Final
Champions League final

 

minus the Community Shield

 

I don't think that's enough to win Premier League Manager of the Season above the manager who actually won it. 

I wouldn't, personally, argue for either, just offered a suggestion as to why one was chosen over Howe. 

Howe all day for me tho but. 

[Mansour]

14 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

I wouldn't, personally, argue for either, just offered a suggestion as to why one was chosen over Howe. 

Howe all day for me tho but. 

On paper, Klopp has the best squad in the world individually. Third highest paid squad in the world after PSG and Man City, but somehow, Klopp managed to convince the public that he is still managing an average team. Recruiting top players is hard, I must admit, but keeping them is harder, particularly because you need to pay them well. The tale that LFC does not have resources or spend much is hilarious.

 

Zero win vs top 4 this season, that is also something to keep note of.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Mansour

[Nine]

The argument of Klopp vs Pep is pretty much settled for me at this point, look at the sums spent on that City side compared to what Klopps done with Liverpool who might be about to win their second CL under him this weekend.

 

Klopp started with a side that was nothing close to what it is now. Hes brought in players and improved them as individuals, made them better than they were than when they signed - can we really say that for Pep (Of course there will be one or two exceptions either way, but generally Klopp seems a far better coach at fulfilling players potential than Pep). Look at the team he had when he took over compared to the very solid base Pep started with at City, he had the foundations of Kompany, Aguero, Silva ect to build on.. to me Klopp built a house from scratch where as Pep inherited something that was already half finished and spent away until it was done. Obviously if you give a manager funds they will spend regardless, but if the roles were reversed I don’t think we would be talking about Pep being in his 2nd CL final at Liverpool.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Nine

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Klopp's achievements with Liverpool are absolutely remarkable and can't be understated - I'd even argue that his achievements are greater than Pep's given the difference in resources and their respective starting positions - but purely contained to this season's Premier League campaign, it doesn't make an iota of sense. They're an incredible team and incredibly coached but ultimately they/he were bettered and he should've been the first discounted for that reason.

 

I really think Brentford being absolutely nowhere near relegation, going on at least one really fantastic run of form, signings of Ajer/Wissa/Eriksen, turning Toney into a Premier League striker... that surely is a greater achievement in the context of the domestic league season than Klopp taking Liverpool to second. 

 

Howe's achievements obviously go without saying. Vieira, nah.

 

Ah well. 

 

Liverpool have become the PL's standard bearer club, it feels like the national media and the football authorities themselves take pride in their achievements. There's this almost RAWK level of reverence associated with the club, far beyond the confines of Merseyside.

[Kanji]

It should have gone to Howe; simple for me. Nobody has ever survived going 14 without a win. We did. We were 2nd bottom on Jan 15 and on May 22nd we were 11th with a top 4 point collection in calendar year 2022. 

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, Mansour said:

On paper, Klopp has the best squad in the world individually. Third highest paid squad in the world after PSG and Man City, but somehow, Klopp managed to convince the public that he is still managing an average team. Recruiting top players is hard, I must admit, but keeping them is harder, particularly because you need to pay them well. The tale that LFC does not have resources or spend much is hilarious.

 

Zero win vs top 4 this season, that is also something to keep note of.

 

 

 

As I said, Howe all day for me but I do recognise how good Klopp is.

 

Liverpool v City, spends, for eg... 

 

https://www.si.com/.amp/soccer/2022/05/03/liverpool-outlook-jurgen-klopp-contract-champions-league-salah-mane

 

[Happinesstan]

8 hours ago, nbthree3 said:

Earlier on he was doing things out of necessity, before he came there was talk in the interview he was discussing how to get the best from all the players. He studied it at length and spoke to the owners pre-takeover so even then knew what to expect for when it did go through out of the blue.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if he gave them a chance to show themselves while trying to work with what he had - before that Leeds turning point it was 1 win in 10 or something like that so we've come a long way

Aye. He only played Clark against Norwich to avoid the inevitability of being stuck with him all season, because Schar would have probably fucked himself in that game.

[Nine]

41 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

Aye. He only played Clark against Norwich to avoid the inevitability of being stuck with him all season, because Schar would have probably fucked himself in that game.

In hindsight a master stroke (by accident) as Clark’s red card gave us Vieralinton