Eddie Howe

[Dr Venkman]

2 minutes ago, Mike said:

 

It's me, I'm ppl.

We are ppl.

[Lush Vlad]

Every team has dodgy decisions go against them. We did just seem to get a shit load in a 4-5 game stretch. Now the dust has settled and a lot of the emotion taken out of it. I think it was only really the Wolves and Palace decisions that I have an issue with. 

 

The Brighton high foot I’m not having. Everyone seemed to stop playing after the whistle. Seemed daft to blow the whistle in the first place. But shit decisions happen all the while. We were poor all game, anyway. No guarantee we would have won 1-0. 
 

Liverpool, whilst heartbreaking. Was perfectly fine. We had wasted a bit more time in stoppage time. Cliched, of course. But it is a minimum of. The Isak goal was marginally off, no? Even though I can’t stand the way VAR is used for offside. That isn’t unique to us and this game. 
 

Need to stop pissing and moaning about things we can’t change and start looking forward.  

[Dr Venkman]

Isak goal looked like the lines had been placed at random from what I remember. Didn’t seem to match body parts.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Dr Venkman

[astraguy]

7 minutes ago, Mike said:

 

It's me, I'm ppl.

[Mike]

6 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

We are ppl.

 

[bowlingcrofty]

7 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

Isak goal looked like the lines had been placed at random from what I remember. Didn’t seem to match body parts.

 

 

 

 

Looks to me like his line actually shows it was onside  

[Hanshithispantz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zdAVsAnSVs&t=70s

 

There's basically no way to tell if it was on of off, it's guesswork how far his knee is over his foot (if it is at all), plus the exact moment contact is made on the ball is near impossible due to the video frame rate. No way it should have been disallowed.

 

As for the Carvalho goal, the literal amount of time the ball isn't in play has never (until seemingly the world cup) been added on. There was a very clear narrative to the game and the ref seemed to make a point of stopping his watch and playing every second. Completely fine if it was consistent but he cannot decide to just do it in extra time, if he'd been doing it throughout the second half we would have had another 10 minutes to find an equaliser.

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[SUPERTOON]

Does he hold his usual press conference today? Not sure what the case is when there has been midweek games.

[Lush Vlad]

31 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zdAVsAnSVs&t=70s

 

There's basically no way to tell if it was on of off, it's guesswork how far his knee is over his foot (if it is at all), plus the exact moment contact is made on the ball is near impossible due to the video frame rate. No way it should have been disallowed.

 

As for the Carvalho goal, the literal amount of time the ball isn't in play has never (until seemingly the world cup) been added on. There was a very clear narrative to the game and the ref seemed to make a point of stopping his watch and playing every second. Completely fine if it was consistent but he cannot decide to just do it in extra time, if he'd been doing it throughout the second half we would have had another 10 minutes to find an equaliser.

 

 

 

Fair enough on the Isak offside. Even tighter than I remember. 
 

Really don’t get everyone getting so upset by the added on time, though. We were time wasting and using gamesmanship from about the 5th minute  which plenty of teams do, of course. We then did it twice more after the 90. Can’t really moan if we then concede a goal. Due to our own delaying of the game. 
 

It won’t be the first or last time a ref plays more than the time added on. Especially if there was a sub, injury or goal etc during that period. 

[Hanshithispantz]

There was over 2 minutes added on though. I'm not against time out of play being literally added on but it's rarely how it works (and not how it's supposed to work in the current 45 minute a half format) and it's pretty obvious when referees go out of their way to do it.

 

It was still our fault for falling asleep on the corner like, so it's not really an excuse for the loss (we nearly scored ourselves during his added on time), but it's just another example of 'the rub of the green' going to the same sides.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20464371

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[SUPERTOON]

 

[Yorkie]

8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

"Dan Byrne was a well-respected player for Brighton."

 

 Where is he now? Sign him up.

 

Absolutely nails it, mind. 

[Doc]

 

11 hours ago, Dr Venkman said:

We are ppl.

"We are the people,

who want Ben Arfa,

he'd make our whole attack

look fucking smarter"

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Doc
had a few

[LV]

Spoiler

 

This is brilliant. Cheers for posting.

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, bowlingcrofty said:

 

Looks to me like his line actually shows it was onside  

Indeed. An absolute farce.

[Emotic]

22 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

"Dan Byrne was a well-respected player for Brighton."

 

 Where is he now? Sign him up.

 

Absolutely nails it, mind. 

The one piece of evidence that the article was indeed written by Jamie Carragher, mind

[PauloGeordio]

Jamie knows! 

[Lush Vlad]

Just came in here to post that piece by Carragher. Can’t even read it because of the paywall. But the replies are delicious. 
 

Seems like no other fucker has read it either and of course, it is all down to oil money.  They always go quiet when hit with facts. It takes about a minute to point out how wide of the mark they are.  
 

I love how people get all passive aggressive about Howe. They still use the relegation with Bournemouth against him. Just conveniently ignoring everything else he did there and what he’s done with us, so far. 
 

The Big 6 are rattled and crying about us being good again and I’m all for it. 

[PauloGeordio]

5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Just came in here to post that piece by Carragher. Can’t even read it because of the paywall. But the replies are delicious. 
 

Seems like no other fucker has read it either and of course, it is all down to oil money.  They always go quiet when hit with facts. It takes about a minute to point out how wide of the mark they are.  
 

I love how people get all passive aggressive about Howe. They still use the relegation with Bournemouth against him. Just conveniently ignoring everything else he did there and what he’s done with us, so far. 
 

The Big 6 are rattled and crying about us being good again and I’m all for it. 

👍🏻 More salty tears to come from the entitled ones! It’s great to see 😁

[Cronky]

Our net transfer spend over the last two windows is large, but what needs taking into account is the fact that 1) we were starting from a very low position in the Premiership, and 2) because of the previous low spending and lack of quality in the squad, we haven't been able to raise any funds through sales, unlike other clubs. Those factors put Eddie's achievements into perspective.

[Chris_R]

1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said:

Just came in here to post that piece by Carragher. Can’t even read it because of the paywall.

 

Never let that stop you. Just put 12ft.io/ in front of the URL....

 

12ft.io/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/12/30/manager-2022-isnt-pep-guardiola-mikel-arteta/

 

No need to give money to those Tory rags.

 

[et tu brute]

5 hours ago, bowlingcrofty said:

 

Looks to me like his line actually shows it was onside  

What pissed me off was they only showed one line on the ground and yet for Rashford in a game earlier in the week, they showed the line on the ground and at shoulder level.

[Chris_R]

5 hours ago, Cronky said:

 

Thank you for your post. Ever since last season, I've needed no convincing as to what a gem we have in Eddie, but that was a good read.

 

Not because I have any doubts, but just for my education, what do you think went wrong at Burnley, and (in the end) at Bournemouth? 

 

He left Burnley because his mum died in March 2012 and he wanted to move back home. Sure, he wasn't pulling up any trees there but you need players to buy into what you're doing and maybe that wasn't happening as he'd have liked.

 

As for Bournemouth, what would realistic expectations be of a club with an 11k capacity in the PL? They finished 18th, just one point (and with a better goal difference) behind Aston Villa. They'd had bad injuries during the season too, plus it was during Covid times and many sides form was different (some better, done worse) when playing behind closed doors. Yes it was disappointing given the 4 seasons prior, but I think there were extenuating circumstances and the only person in Bournemouth who wanted Howe to leave was Howe himself, he never lost the fans, the players, or the board who'd have all kept him in the championship.

 

Plus many great managers have suffered relegation. Wenger with Nancy, Benitez with Extremadura, it shouldn't be a stigma. But I guess it's our benefit that it has been seen as such.

[King HTT III]

On 29/12/2022 at 23:37, Chris_R said:

Apologies for the long post but I felt I needed to just put down some of what Howe has done at Bournemouth for those who have only really paid attention to him since he signed for us.

 

Some may know as I've said before, but I live in Bournemouth. I came down here in 2009 for work just after their "great escape" (and after our first Ashley relegation!) and have seen first-hand what he did here as although I've never supported any club but Newcastle and never could, I kind of adopted Bournemouth whilst Ashley gutted our club from the inside and I was marooned 360 miles away.

 

What Howe is doing now is not new, and it should not be a surprise. He has a long and incredibly impressive history in improving players, massively. Obviously it doesn't happen to all players, as you have to buy in to what he wants of you and his methods, but for those that do they'll find he can have them playing easily 2 divisions higher than they've ever played before. At Bournemouth he did this with many players and I've long wanted him to get this job and was over the moon when Emery turned us down and we moved onto "that fella from Bournemouth". Although he didn't to my knowledge bring anyone all the way with him from L2 with Bournemouth, he variously bought or inherited many players in League 1 who became PL regulars with hundreds of appearances to their name.

 

Here's Bournemouth's league timeline in the Howe years, and some key moments noted....

 

2008–09 - League Two - Great Escape from -17 points
2009–10 - League Two - Promotion
2010–11 - League One - Jan 2011 leaves for Burnley, replaced by Lee Bradbury who fails in Playoff Semi Final
2011–12 - League One - Bradbury sacked, Paul Groves takes over with Bournemouth 11th
2012–13 - League One - Oct 2012 Groves sacked with Bournemouth near foot of table. Howe returns, turns it around and wins promotion in same season
2013–14 - Championship - Finished 10th
2014–15 - Championship - Promoted as champions
2015–16 - Premier League
2016–17 - Premier League - Finished 9th, highest finish in club's history
2017–18 - Premier League
2018–19 - Premier League
2019–20 - Premier League - Relegation and Howe leaves

 

Now I've already said he didn't take anyone from L2 to the PL with Bournemouth (Though Ings was with him in L2 but then moved on to Burnley when Howe went there), but I think at least part of that is that from January 2008 to December 2010 Bournemouth were operating under a transfer embargo due to going into administration. This is why they had -17 points in 2008/09, and why they had to turn to 31-year-old Howe. That he not only saved them but got them promoted the next season whilst under that embargo is incredible enough, but all the below players (Except Ings) were then signed by Howe, Bradbury or Groves whilst in L1 and went on to make a lot of appearances in the PL as Howe took them up through the leagues when he came back from Burnley:

 

09/10 - League 2

Danny Ings - Came up through the U18s, Howe gave him his debut in the cup when in L2, played most of next season in L1. Howe then went to Burnley and took Ings with him. Also managed Tippier at this time, probably why Trippier was so keen to join.

 

10/11 - League 1 - Howe signings

Adam Smith - On loan initially when in L1 due to embargo, then joined permanently, has made 158 PL appearances and still playing for Bournemouth now

Marc Pugh - 67 PL appearances over 3 seasons

Harry Arter - 69 PL appearances for Bournemouth, now at Notts Forest

 

11/12 - League 1 - Lee Bradbury signings

Steve Cook - 168 PL appearances before moving to Notts Forest

Charlie Daniels - 129 PL appearances

Simon Francis - 136 PL appearances before retiring

 

12-13 - League 1 - Paul Groves then Eddie Howe returns in October for January window

Tommy Elphick - 12 PL appearances in first season up before being signed by Aston Villa

Lewis Grabban - 18 PL appearances in first season up, then went on loan to (amongst others) Sunderland, before moving to Notts Forest

Matt Richie - Signed from Swindon by Howe after his return, 37 PL appearances before moving to us

Ryan Fraser - Another Howe signing, 120 PL appearances before also moving to us

 

And that's not counting the likes of Shaun MacDonald who played 3 times in the Prem etc, just the headliners. So that's a full TEN players who went from L1 to the PL with Howe and made a significant contribution, some over many years and 5 of them making 120+ PL appearances - 6 if you count Ritchie completing them here.

 

If a manager can make a player 10% better, you take it and would say he's doing a great job, because that's a brilliant return. But we have a manager who can make you two DIVISIONS better if you trust the process and buy into his methods. We're incredibly lucky to have him, and nothing he's doing is a flash in the pan or anything he hasn't done before on a consistent and prolonged basis in terms of improving players, and so I expect he'll also continue to do it in the future with anyone else we sign - provided they have the right character and mentality.

 

Small anecdote - He bummed a cigarette off my wife back in 2010. Bournemouth were having their end of season promotion party at the RNLI headquarters in Poole where my wife worked as a restaurant manager. She was a smoker back then, and was outside having a cigarette when Eddie Howe came out and chatted to her for a bit after asking if he could have a cigarette off her. At the time he was a nobody really, she didn't know who he was but knew AFC Bournemouth were booked in for a party and from chatting whilst they smoked for that few minutes she found out that he was the manager, so I had to fill in the blanks for her. She says he was really lovely, which of course we'd expect. No idea if he smokes regularly or if like some people do only when 10 pints in (He may have been sober for all we know, I'm certainly not saying he wasn't and even if he was wasted, he deserved it), and of course more than a decade has passed since anyway, but there you are.

 

TL;DR - I think Eddie Howe is fantastic, and have done for over a decade. Even though he still owes my missus a cigarette.

Great post, Emery was my first choice, but I’ve always rated Howe and was happy enough when we appointed him and now I’m obviously fucking delirious with the job he’s done and having met the man, well, he’s fucking lush. KK vibes about him!

[King HTT III]

This is how considerate the man is, when he posed for a photo with my boy (well it was the other way round really) he said is it OK if he puts his arm around him and gives him a little chat (he’d won MOTM against his boy’s team), he refused a kiss off me though which I don’t blame him with my trampy beard  He’s fucking great and I’m so happy for him just as a person, never mind our manager.