jonny1403 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 08:25, Hanshithispantz said: It tells you nowt tbf, being in a relegation scrap doesn't mean you need to shut teams out and flap your arse trying to scrape draws and 1-0 wins. Howe and Rafa have completely different philosophies, Rafa also didn't like Ben Arfa, completely understandable given the type of manager he is but you'd be hard pressed to say Hatem looked bad for us. Gini was a forward/winger when he was here too, we also had a much better squad. Expand What Ben Arfa left a year before Rafa even arrived! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 08/12/2021 at 22:18, Manxst said: https://salarysport.com/football/premier-league/newcastle-united-f.c./ £74k p/w according to this. Never heard of it before though, so don’t know how reliable it is, other than I’d heard Shelvey is on circa £70k which is what it says. Doubt there’s any way Almiron’s north of £100k. Expand Is £74k not roughly $100k? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 10:29, Happinesstan said: Is £74k not roughly $100k? Expand Roughly. But the poster stated “100-200k” without giving the currency- I presumed it was in £ given that’s what we use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Maybe he’s paid in guaraní causing a lot of confusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 No wonder the cunt is always smiling. Don't think any of our players are on more than £85k. Expect Almiron, Joelinton & ASM to be in and around (70-85k) that, Shelvey was there before his extension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I always thought Shelvey was the top earner on £80k pw but that was before Wilson, Joelinton and ASM joined Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Gini is a quality player, but not the type we need right now. We already have Willock who is a similar type, although Gini is admittedly much better at this stage. I suppose on loan he would make sense, but what we really need is a CM who will provide some bite in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 10:38, Manxst said: Roughly. But the poster stated “100-200k” without giving the currency- I presumed it was in £ given that’s what we use. Expand Aye but you often see reports in $ these days. And I wouldn't put it past a journo to change 100k to 100-200k. I'm sure that's week 1 of B-tec media studies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 11:55, TRon said: Gini is a quality player, but not the type we need right now. We already have Willock who is a similar type, although Gini is admittedly much better at this stage. I suppose on loan he would make sense, but what we really need is a CM who will provide some bite in midfield. Expand It certainly appears that way, but if we could retain more possession then that would reduce the need. If Gini replaced Willock, we'd be exactly the same as we are but give it away less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Wijnaldum would be the first name on the team sheet. I think he's still waaaaay above us and will attract interest from all over Europe. Can see him in Italy or Spain (Barca, maybe?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Also, stop comparing Willock and Wijnaldum ffs Nearly as bad as the Rice - Longstaff comparisons. Edited December 9, 2021 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 11:58, Happinesstan said: It certainly appears that way, but if we could retain more possession then that would reduce the need. If Gini replaced Willock, we'd be exactly the same as we are but give it away less. Expand I was one of those on here who used to defend Gini tbh, for precisely that reason. I thought he was great at keeping the ball under pressure, and I assumed that was why Klopp was happy to take him off our hands. He would definitely improve us, only question in my mind would be how motivated would he be coming back after winning all that silverware away from here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Gini is better than all our midfielders combined. Can't turn down quality like that, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 There is no world where Gini Wijnaldum doesn't improve us. You could stick him in 4 positions and we would improve. If we need a more defensive minded midfielder, then sign one of them ASWELL. Easy to forget that there are no restrictions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 12:02, Dr.Spaceman said: Also, stop comparing Willock and Wijnaldum ffs Nearly as bad as the Rice - Longstaff comparisons. Expand No one is comparing their quality, I said specifically the type of player, i.e., not really the type to get stuck in, but make good runs into the box and score goals. I also specifically said Gini is better quality just to make it understood that I wasn't under the illusion that Willock is anywhere near that standard yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 12:04, STM said: There is no world where Gini Wijnaldum doesn't improve us. You could stick him in 4 positions and we would improve. If we need a more defensive minded midfielder, then sign one of them ASWELL. Easy to forget that there are no restrictions. Expand Yep, 100%. But we do need to sign a midfielder who'll give us some Kante/Tiote style steel. Get one of those AND Gini, then we are talking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 19:13, The Prophet said: Where is Mr Carr when you need him. Fofana from Lens would be a great pick up. Expand He was absolutely top class v PSG at the weekend. He's exactly what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Honestly couldn't say how Gini performed at Liverpool as I never really noticed him when I watched them play, but understand he had more defensive duties at Liverpool than here. However, based on the situation we are in now, and how he performed for us when we had the knife to our throats back then, I'd be hesitant to bring him in on loan unless we also bring in another central midfielder. Big risk to ask him to be the driving force in midfield to save our season when we know he already failed to do so before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) On 09/12/2021 at 12:30, Conjo said: Honestly couldn't say how Gini performed at Liverpool as I never really noticed him when I watched them play, but understand he had more defensive duties at Liverpool than here. However, based on the situation we are in now, and how he performed for us when we had the knife to our throats back then, I'd be hesitant to bring him in on loan unless we also bring in another central midfielder. Big risk to ask him to be the driving force in midfield to save our season when we know he already failed to do so before. Expand He was brilliant for them, his pressing, shielding, ability to carry the ball, and he played in a selfless way too. He was used perfectly by Klopp and played the role to perfection. I’m not sure on him here though, but on loan, he would enhance our midfield massively you’d think. Edited December 9, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 12:30, Conjo said: Honestly couldn't say how Gini performed at Liverpool as I never really noticed him when I watched them play, but understand he had more defensive duties at Liverpool than here. However, based on the situation we are in now, and how he performed for us when we had the knife to our throats back then, I'd be hesitant to bring him in on loan unless we also bring in another central midfielder. Big risk to ask him to be the driving force in midfield to save our season when we know he already failed to do so before. Expand To be fair to him, the whole team stopped and he was young and it was his first season in the PL. He’s matured now and is vastly experienced and a quiet and calm kind of leader type figure. The one thing I think with Howe is that a lot of players will enjoying playing under him and his methods and the football he prefers, be they damaged goods like Shelvey or some big name player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 12:01, Dr.Spaceman said: Wijnaldum would be the first name on the team sheet. I think he's still waaaaay above us and will attract interest from all over Europe. Can see him in Italy or Spain (Barca, maybe?). Expand No chance of paying him a decent wage after their Euro failure last night, I’d have thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 He's not actually been linked other than a few tenuous comments that PSG might let him go on loan? Or did i miss something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 12:54, gjohnson said: He's not actually been linked other than a few tenuous comments that PSG might let him go on loan? Or did i miss something? Expand 20 appearances (10 starts) this season. I think he simply wants to play more to be honest, given his age (31?). He’s got a lot of competition at PSG. IF he left on loan, I could see him going to Arsenal or Spurs maybe? (Especially if Dele leaves Tottenham). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 09/12/2021 at 13:13, Manxst said: 20 appearances (10 starts) this season. I think he simply wants to play more to be honest, given his age (31?). He’s got a lot of competition at PSG. IF he left on loan, I could see him going to Arsenal or Spurs maybe? (Especially if Dele leaves Tottenham). Expand Don't see that tbh...just doesn't fit with them in my view. Could see him going to back to PSV, or someone like Sevilla. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Absolutely do not want Wijnaldum back here like. He's a good player but he was utterly anonymous for most of that season when we went down. Particularly away from home. I don't think he's suited to playing in a side that forfeits control of the game. He'd played for Ajax and PSV before us, two teams that dominate possession. It's no suprise that he did well at Liverpool too. Us though, wanting to hit other teams on the break? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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