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[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

Besides the couple videos of him saying something daft on holiday, I don’t see an attitude problem in Toney.

From interviews, he comes across as extremely driven and hard-working. When he was let go by us, he was honest about his naivety and that he was lost at that level at the time and more generally, his future as a footballer.

 

When he played against us at home this season, he stated “there are no hard feelings. Newcastle still holds a special place in my heart”.

 

He has that steeliness about him as a central forward which I like, I think our team needs a bit of bite, especially when we play away.

 

[Keegans Export]

9 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Not sure there’s much between the 2, personally. Similar goal scoring records in the championship and I think he’s probably slighter better suited to how we play. His price-tag would likely be 20 million or so less than TA as well…

 

That's some selective statistics right there 

 

Abraham was around 1 in 3 for Chelsea at 21/22yo, now he's gone to the top level in Italy and he's scored 15 goals there. 

 

You can argue about style or price but in terms of proven production, Abraham is at a different level completely. 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by Keegans Export

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Not sure Toney would even want to come back. 
 

I think my preferred style of forward would be small and mobile, we never cross it much anyway. 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo

[McCormick]

3 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

That's some selective statistics right there 

 

Abraham was around 1 in 3 for Chelsea at 21/22yo, now he's gone to the top level in Italy and he's scored 15 goals there. 

 

You can argue about style or price but in terms of proven production, Abraham is at a different level completely. 

 

 

 

 You’re right with regards to being proven; Abraham is undoubtedly the more proven striker thus far.

 

I was being selective because it’s the only real apples to apples analysis I could find. Abraham in the PL at Chelsea and Toney in the PL at Brentford isn’t a particularly fair comparison imo.

[WillingtonMag]

Definitely rather have Abraham

[Ronson333]

Toney does a lot of things very well, like heading clearances from corners, penalty taking and general team play. He’s also a very good finisher with strength and bit of pace. His attitude on the pitch is brilliant, really hungry and doesn’t give up. Don’t underestimate his talents, he would be brilliant for us.

[Keegans Export]

13 minutes ago, McCormick said:

 You’re right with regards to being proven; Abraham is undoubtedly the more proven striker thus far.

 

I was being selective because it’s the only real apples to apples analysis I could find. Abraham in the PL at Chelsea and Toney in the PL at Brentford isn’t a particularly fair comparison imo.

I hear what you're saying. For me though, there's a reason Abraham has spent most of his career in the PL & Serie A while Toney has just had his first experience of top flight football at 25/26. Anyway, regardless of who we end up signing, lets hope it's our Aguero rather than our Robinho...

[Kid Icarus]

Whoever the next Raul Jiminez, Roberto Firmino type is would be my ideal signing I think.

[McCormick]

8 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I hear what you're saying. For me though, there's a reason Abraham has spent most of his career in the PL & Serie A while Toney has just had his first experience of top flight football at 25/26. Anyway, regardless of who we end up signing, lets hope it's our Aguero rather than our Robinho...

Think this may be down to circumstances though; Tammy was brought through one of best youth academies in the world while the other was at Northampton. As we know, Toney’s move to us was a poor one in hindsight and really set him back.

 

Still think there isn’t that much between the 2 ability-wise (imo obviously). Tammy would be the surer bet, but that’ll be reflected heavily in the asking price. Safe to say I’d be delighted with either 

[Joey47]

43 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

That's some selective statistics right there 

 

Abraham was around 1 in 3 for Chelsea at 21/22yo, now he's gone to the top level in Italy and he's scored 15 goals there. 

 

You can argue about style or price but in terms of proven production, Abraham is at a different level completely. 

 

 

 

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with people saying Tammy is better/more proven but is there something to be said about Tammy doing it for Chelsea and Roma which are both top teams and therefore create more chances than a team like Brentford? 

 

I guess you'd have to look and xG and stuff like that.

[The College Dropout]

Yes Tammy's experience means your paying an extra 10-20m for pedigree.

 

You would like to think there's better value elsewhere but I couldn't give you a name.

[Consortium of one]

Is the plan to play with a single striker?

[Ikon]

Looks like Schlotterbeck is Dortmund bound. G Baguette. 

[Joey47]

I feel like the Striker position is the most likely position to flop, even signing semi experienced players such as Werner is a bit of a toss up. Then there's the signings like Fernando Torres who are proven top level strikers and still ended up flopping.

 

After reading that twitter thread about Darwin Nunez someone posted in here earlier it's definitely put me off him. The twitter thread mentions that Nunez is completely terrible at passing and would therefore not work at all at a top club that want to play possession based football. From what I've read about Howe he ideally will want to play attacking possession based football so Nunez seems like a bit of a no go. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Just checking and Toney's height is listed as 5'10, genuinely thought he was much taller than that

[Manxst]

1 minute ago, Joey47 said:

From what I've read about Howe he ideally will want to play attacking possession based football so Nunez seems like a bit of a no go. 

Yet we allegedly bid for him in January, and plenty of rumours in the last week or two that we’ve bid again? I think it’s well known that the club like him. But equally well known that he wants CL football, hence why he’s not keen on coming to us. 

[Joey47]

1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

Just checking and Toney's height is listed as 5'10, genuinely thought he was much taller than that

 

Yeah me too, when you watch him in games he just seems to have a big presence. He's also very good in the air.

[HaydnNUFC]

4 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

Just checking and Toney's height is listed as 5'10, genuinely thought he was much taller than that

 

Yep, he's the tallest bloke to ever be 5'10. Just like Luke Shaw is the shortest bloke to ever be 6'1.

 

Also would definitely take Toney back. Scored the same number of goals as Kane this season, adds a lot more than just his goals in his link up play and I like the arrogance he has. Need that to be a top player.

[Joey47]

1 minute ago, Manxst said:

Yet we allegedly bid for him in January, and plenty of rumours in the last week or two that we’ve bid again? I think it’s well known that the club like him. But equally well known that he wants CL football, hence why he’s not keen on coming to us. 

 

Yeah this is a good point.

 

But how can we really know which of these rumours are truthful? 

 

If I was a journalist and needed something to write about, it would be quite easy to take one of the hottest prospects in football who is smashing goals in in the CL and link them with the club who have recently had a massive money takeover.

[Manxst]

Just now, Joey47 said:

 

Yeah this is a good point.

 

But how can we really know which of these rumours are truthful? 

 

If I was a journalist and needed something to write about, it would be quite easy to take one of the hottest prospects in football who is smashing goals in in the CL and link them with the club who have recently had a massive money takeover.

The bid might be bs, but there are too many stories about our interest for that to be a lie, both from the UK and Portugal. 

[nufc123]

Toney is probably a safer bet, but in Nunez (if he wants the move) we could have a striker with huge potential for the next 8 years. Wont say no to him but its not a huge upgrade on Wilson. Toney will do the job im sure, but it doesnt feel like a wow signing.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2022 by nufc123

[HaydnNUFC]

Would definitely take Nunez still, mind. But certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at Toney.

[cubaricho]

Toney and David, Hugo and Wood as backup. Au revoir Wilson and jobs a goodun'.

[gdm]

3 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

Toney and David, Hugo and Wood as backup. Au revoir Wilson and jobs a goodun'.

Wilson will get another season here not a chance he’ll be sold

[Holmesy]

Hopefully we're looking at one marquee striker signing and another young, up-and-coming striker for a bit of last 20 minute unpredictability. Someone along the lines of Toney/Nunez/Gabigol and then that Ekitike lad (who i've never seen play in my life) would be a good outcome.