macphisto Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nine said: Has Rashford really dipped that badly though? I dont think hes anywhere close to Alli levels of failure, looking at Rashfords numbers alone last season wasnt a bad season for him also taking into account hes been a part of a broken Man United side. I would say not being a regular in this Man U team is a catastrophic failure as they are terrible in relation to where they have been in the past. He's only scored 4 goals and has 2 assists. Regardless of the problems at Man U, at this stage of his career he should be doing more than enough to be starting for the team and contributing more than he has. Stats wise, apart from 2019/20 and how bad he has been this season, his goals and assists have not significantly improved since he came onto the scene. To widen the discussion, I had a look at the youngest players to play for England. A good few of them burst on the scene, went downhill and none of them went onto fulfil their potential (I am only talking about the ones who had a big drop in form); looking at the list, in most cases making an England debut as youngster is a bad omen! Not a flair player but the only one who stood out to me was Gareth Barry as someone who was highly regarded as a youngster, middle years were not great and then was well thought of again in the latter years of his career. Edited April 25, 2022 by macphisto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Rashford was good last season. I’ve said this a lot here. No Manchester United player post Fergie stays at that club and improves their reputation. You can name a long list of great players that have joined them and gotten worse. Rashford does need to leave before his drop is terminal. I’d take him here but the wages would be an issue. The wages for a lot of players are an issue for motivation tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 A lot of this Rashford talk belongs in NWOAT. unless someone can post a decent source of us being linked with him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) As far as numbers go you could make the same argument for Sterling though, he put up his best numbers in 19/20 and last season only put up about half of that (in a far better side than Rashfords to). I just feel that with Rashford his dip in form is related to the team hes been a part of rather than down to him on an individual level, a move at this point in his career might not be a bad choice for him. Edited April 25, 2022 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Don’t know if this has been posted, sorry if yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Both Rashford and Martial have suffered from a lack of clarity on where to play them consistently and develop them i.e. either as out and out strikers, or out wide, on the left side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, macphisto said: As I said above, not making excuses but changing countries can often account for changes in form, both up and down. Can you think of anyone who only played in one league who went on to fulfil their potential after a drop in form like Rashford? There are tons: Andy Cole, Zaha, Huth, Luke Shaw, Lingard when he went to West Ham, Sigurdsson, Modric. Basically any player who took time to settle and ended up being class, or a player who got a move that didn't work out, then moved away and regained form. There are loads that didn't get the renaissance at the other side and just faded away as well - Dempsey, Drinkwater, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Scott Sinclair, Jeffers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest HTT II Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I’d be confident under Howe not only would Rashford rediscover himself, but would become even better! I’d test the waters with a bid, Man Utd are going to need to sell a few of their players for any rebuild and he’s a sable asset they could still get decent money for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: I’d be confident under Howe not only would Rashford rediscover himself, but would become even better! I’d test the waters with a bid, Man Utd are going to need to sell a few of their players for any rebuild and he’s a sable asset they could still get decent money for. Yup, cheeky bid for Martial too, as his loan to Sevilla has been a flop so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, KaKa said: Yup, cheeky bid for Martial too, as his loan to Sevilla has been a flop so far. I’d still have him here too, some players just need a good coach more than anything. Even Dele Ali, I think someone like Howe could do wonders for him on and off the pitch. Every single player that has payed for us under Howe has improved, even if marginally, fitness wise, tactically, mentally, physically and above all else work ethic and confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: I’d still have him here too, some players just need a good coach more than anything. Even Dele Ali, I think someone like Howe could do wonders for him on and off the pitch. Every single player that has payed for us under Howe has improved, even if marginally, fitness wise, tactically, mentally, physically and above all else work ethic and confidence. And some players are just irreparable and beyond help. Dele Alli hasn’t been at the races for around 5 years now, through four manager/coaches of huge experience and calibre, all of whom haven’t been able to get him back to the form he showed as a 19-21 year old. He’s been in PL/cup games, in European games, challenging for the title, being in a relegation battle- nothing has altered his mindset or will. A coach can only do so much- as I’m sure you know, the player has to have self-reflection, and genuinely want the improvement too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, Manxst said: And some players are just irreparable and beyond help. Dele Alli hasn’t been at the races for around 5 years now, through four manager/coaches of huge experience and calibre, all of whom haven’t been able to get him back to the form he showed as a 19-21 year old. He’s been in PL/cup games, in European games, challenging for the title, being in a relegation battle- nothing has altered his mindset or will. A coach can only do so much- as I’m sure you know, the player has to have self-reflection, and genuinely want the improvement too. Agreed, but I’m of the opinion you can’t just give up on talent, it’s mainly down to the players themselves though and Dele Ali’s drop has been huge and I can’t see him getting back to his best! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Shocked at the amount of people wanting Man Utd rejects or out of form players, i understood taking a risk in January on them but I wouldn’t go near them now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGoneKid Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: Agreed, but I’m of the opinion you can’t just give up on talent, it’s mainly down to the players themselves though and Dele Ali’s drop has been huge and I can’t see him getting back to his best! Its an attitude problem he disappeared up his own arse awhile back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Shocked at the amount of people wanting Man Utd rejects or out of form players, i understood taking a risk in January on them but I wouldn’t go near them now. I’d have Lingard still, and Rashford and Martial. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: I’d have Lingard still, and Rashford and Martial. I’d avoid all 3 now especially Martial and Rashford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Rashford for me stands out as the one I think would be absolute dynamite under Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I'd take Rashy, feels like he needs to get out of Manchester and concentrate on his football. wouldn't touch the others with a shitty stick. we can (and will) sign far better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, SUPERTOON said: I’d avoid all 3 now especially Martial and Rashford If we signed Rashford, he’d be our best player along with Bruno under Howe. Again, he’s been playing with injuries for over a year now, is being played in the wrong positions mostly, in an underperforming team, he’s young and the expectations on him have been huge so that will weigh on him and players are actually allowed to have an off season, it happens to the best of them. Martial would be the one I’d least want us to sign of the trio! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: If we signed Rashford, he’d be our best player along with Bruno under Howe. Again, he’s been playing with injuries for over a year now, is being played in the wrong positions mostly, in an underperforming team, he’s young and the expectations on him have been huge so that will weigh on him and players are actually allowed to have an off season, it happens to the best of them. Martial would be the one I’d least want us to sign of the trio! I think contrary to popular belief lingard is the one to stay away from in them 3 - he’s probably had 10-15 good games in his career and he’s 29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Shocked at the amount of people wanting Man Utd rejects or out of form players, i understood taking a risk in January on them but I wouldn’t go near them now. We have bagged ourselves a top manager that gets the best out of players with far less ability than the ones we are talking about here. And we should be looking to take full advantage of the kind of manager we have now. The likes of Rashford and Martial are elite level talents that are still young enough to turn things around. Howe has shown me enough with the phenomenal work he has done with some of our lot. We now have a great positive atmosphere at the club that is centred around professionalism and self improvement and where there is full buy in from all of the players. It would be a great environment to bring players into that have lost their way a bit, but who clearly have the ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Just now, tgarve said: I think contrary to popular belief lingard is the one to stay away from in them 3 - he’s probably had 10-15 good games in his career and he’s 29 Yeah, Lingard is the one I'd pass on due to his age. Rashford and Martial are elite level talents and are just 24 and 26 years old respectively, with a ton of Premier League experience, European competition experience and international experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, KaKa said: We have bagged ourselves a top manager that gets the best out of players with far less ability than the ones we are talking about here. And we should be looking to take full advantage of the kind of manager we have now. The likes of Rashford and Martial are elite level talents that are still young enough to turn things around. Howe has shown me enough with the phenomenal work he has done with some of our lot. We now have a great positive atmosphere at the club that is centred around professionalism and self improvement and where there is full buy in from all of the players. It would be a great environment to bring players into that have lost their way a bit, but who clearly have the ability. Martial isn’t currently nor has he really shown he is an elite level talent, what he and Rashford have shown is an awful attitude and we would be better off looking elsewhere imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 How has Rashfords attitude been awful? Genuine question don't remember him having a poor attitude just massively out of form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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