Yorkie Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Sima said: Would Carroll honestly be any worse if we kept him instead? Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He’s filled a void but if we can get £12-15m back in the summer from a newly promoted club or recently relegated club then thank him and move on. For £5-8m net to help the shape of the team while we stay up he’d have been worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I just can’t get my head round how he’s as ineffective as he is. The one thing I was confident we’d get out of him would be quality in the air. Although he wins a lot of headers, he’s not anywhere near as good as he should be for his size. The amount of time he just cushions headers to the opposing keeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Sima said: Would Carroll honestly be any worse if we kept him instead? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWTL Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He has been a big part of our recent form because of his effort and presence but we are never going to climb up the league with him upfront, he isn't fast enough, not clinical enough and doesn't seem to ever be in the right place and the right time to create chance. I get he isn't getting that many opportunities to score but needs to create some himself by making better runs or placing himself better inside the box but just lacks that skill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Come on. Aye, you're probably right. Can't help thinking he would be getting more power on some of the headers Wood has fluffed but his energy levels pressing wouldn't be the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, gbandit said: I just can’t get my head round how he’s as ineffective as he is. The one thing I was confident we’d get out of him would be quality in the air. Although he wins a lot of headers, he’s not anywhere near as good as he should be for his size. The amount of time he just cushions headers to the opposing keeper The one thing I'll say in his defence is that he does win his fair share of headers and flick ons but because he's playing up front on his own he's not flicking it on to anyone. He might be more effective as part of a front 2, maybe, dare I say it in a sort of Quinn/Phillips type partnership where is role is simply to win flick ons and knock it down to a more mobile and capable goalscorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: The one thing I'll say in his defence is that he does win his fair share of headers and flick ons but because he's playing up front on his own he's not flicking it on to anyone. He might be more effective as part of a front 2, maybe, dare I say it in a sort of Quinn/Phillips type partnership where is role is simply to win flick ons and knock it down to a more mobile and capable goalscorer. Aye, I always wanted an Emile Heskey to call our own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: The one thing I'll say in his defence is that he does win his fair share of headers and flick ons but because he's playing up front on his own he's not flicking it on to anyone. He might be more effective as part of a front 2, maybe, dare I say it in a sort of Quinn/Phillips type partnership where is role is simply to win flick ons and knock it down to a more mobile and capable goalscorer. I can't work out if it's being isolated or if he just doesn't actually think about where he's trying to flick the ball on to. I'm not the sort of person to watch matches back so I could be completely misremembering, but I feel like even when he's got team mates relatively near, he doesn't particularly aim to get the ball to him. I feel like he just thinks 'as long as I get something on it that's my bit done and someone else can worry about getting on the end of it'. That being said, as I've said enough times now, it was still a worthwhile signing just for the extra body up front. I couldn't care less if we punted him for nothing in the summer as long as we're a Premier League side when we do so. I can't reconcile the idea that we would've gotten this many points if we were relying on Dwight Gayle since the turn of the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, wormy said: I can't work out if it's being isolated or if he just doesn't actually think about where he's trying to flick the ball on to. I'm not the sort of person to watch matches back so I could be completely misremembering, but I feel like even when he's got team mates relatively near, he doesn't particularly aim to get the ball to him. I feel like he just thinks 'as long as I get something on it that's my bit done and someone else can worry about getting on the end of it'. That being said, as I've said enough times now, it was still a worthwhile signing just for the extra body up front. I couldn't care less if we punted him for nothing in the summer as long as we're a Premier League side when we do so. I can't reconcile the idea that we would've gotten this many points if we were relying on Dwight Gayle since the turn of the year. Like I say I think our resurgence in form was down to Joelinton, Willock and Shelvey playing out of their skins. A solid CB pairing of Burn and Schar, Dubravkas improvement, and the 2 full backs (and of course Howe) more than anything Wood has added. It's not as if he's been playing really well but just not scoring. If we can get £10m back for him in the summer I'd snap their hands off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 The most frustrating thing for me is not even his hold up play but his lack of conviction aerially. He's has loads of chances and half chances that he's either missed altogether, parried straight into the keepers arms or 50p-ed straight up in the air. The minimum I expected was that he'd be a rubbish footballer but give us something different in the air - especially the manner in which our set pieces have improved so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Like I say I think our resurgence in form was down to Joelinton, Willock and Shelvey playing out of their skins. A solid CB pairing of Burn and Schar, Dubravkas improvement, and the 2 full backs (and of course Howe) more than anything Wood has added. It's not as if he's been playing really well but just not scoring. If we can get £10m back for him in the summer I'd snap their hands off. Also seemed to do with Fraser, Maxi and Murphy being able to get more involved In the games somthing which Wood was a part of and Gayle wouldn't do. Think people are going too far all together here tbh he was bad last night and isn't good enough for us but talk of starting Gayle ahead of him or if Carrol would have done any worse is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Also seemed to do with Fraser, Maxi and Murphy being able to get more involved In the games somthing which Wood was a part of and Gayle wouldn't do. Think people are going too far all together here tbh he was bad last night and isn't good enough for us but talk of starting Gayle ahead of him or if Carrol would have done any worse is ridiculous. I disagree but it's all about opinions I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 didn't even notice he was playing last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 57 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Carroll would have held the ball up better, 100 percent. During his cumulative 25 minutes on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Been terrible the last 2 but must be exhausted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Everything else aside he just needs to be hitting the target more. We need to make these little chances count and heading straight at the keeper or reet up in the air every time he gets a good chance is killing us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ManDoon said: Anyone else would be getting absolutely hammered for his goal return and his general play. He’s a nice guy and a very hard worker, but Joselu was a better footballer than him. Better goal scorer now too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Sima said: We’d do better with that hippy who tied himself to the post last night. Definitely held play up well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outremont Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 hours ago, ManDoon said: Anyone else would be getting absolutely hammered for his goal return and his general play. He’s a nice guy and a very hard worker, but Joselu was a better footballer than him. Joselu would be decent in this team with attackers either side and more possession. I thought Joselu was OK. Good footballer. Wood however is awful man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 hours ago, ManDoon said: Well yeah that’s fair, but he’s played 17 times this season Fucking Carroll pressing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Barring him scoring a bicycle kick or doing something outrageously bad my final thought on him is this - he's done largely what we've asked, and I think from now until the summer he will be the dead horse that people flog when we lose or play poorly because of what he can't do. Everyone in this thread knows why we bought him, the predicament we were in. His game won't change drastically under Howe nor will it improve with more training because he's 30. I'd rather have his bouncy ball first touch than Dwight Gayle so good luck to him until Wilson feels ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I just hope we don’t do what we did with Gayle 2-3 years ago and miss the chance to cash in for a decent fee while he still has a bit of standing. Either this summer or January we should be looking for at least half of what we paid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) I think he will see out his contract and probably leave on a free, he’s not the best player at all, but has contributed and still will, ideally we upgrade massively in the summer on almost all the current starters. Edited March 19, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I was switching through the Sky sports channel yesterday and there was a piece showing Ian Wright's goals down the years. Even though we are going back decades, some of the finishing was out of this world. And then I watched Wood against Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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