HaydnNUFC Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Could add my own personal TOO YOUNG category for this template which will have almost all of the fuckers in but I will try and muster some thoughts/feelings about them. HATE Bruce Pardew Souness Allardyce DISLIKE/DISGUST Gullit Carver McClaren APATHY Shearer Dalglish FONDNESS Roeder Hughton ADORE Keegan Robson Benitez Howe Keegan and Robson are easy to explain as to why they're in the category they are. Looking back I absolutely loved Benitez, hung off his every word, watched every press conference, loved the job he did here and was absolutely devastated when he left which was the primary reason I chucked my ST. Because of that it's hard to not put him in adore but in the hopefully incredibly unlikely scenario that we're looking for someone to succeed Howe I wouldn't want him back in any capacity. Didn't when we'd just drawn 1-1 at home to Watford and had 1 win after 20 games last season, wouldn't in future. Howe is perfect for us, I remember clamouring for him when Bruce was still stinking the place out pre takeover and was very happy with him post takeover. His philosophy, work ethic and how he conducts himself in front of the cameras is everything I want in a Newcastle United manager. I hated Bruce with every fibre of my body, most hated manager of ours for me. Complete antithesis of Howe in every regard, belittled the club and consistently patronised the fans. Hopefully he's absolutely finished in management so I don't have to hear or read his name again. I didn't despise Pardew as much as I do now or as many on here do at the time, but I do now and strongly resent the revisionism of him becuase of that 1 season. It went so much more deeper than the football on the park: he's the reason I think Ashley set in stone the modus operandi of the club as one who never strove for success, deliberately went out of the cups and avoided Europe because the extra games 'may increase the risk of relegation'. That's his legacy and it still hasn't worn off on this fanbase. I hate Souness because of how he talks about us now, still endlessly bitter at doing a shit job to the point where he belittles us. We're 'not a proper club' yet 'there's more pressure up there than anywhere else'. Fuck off man, you took a team that finished 5th to 14th whilst falling out with and getting rid of some of our best players. Granted you didn't want Owen and wanted Anelka, but look at the results; 5th to 14th, danger of being in a relegation battle when he was sacked, capitulation at Lisbon, the Cardiff semi final performance, ugh. Allardyce was a fat mess who played shite football but never pretended to be otherwise. Should never be at clubs like us and Everton, should be at basket cases like the mackems, Bolton and Palace. Hence the respective fan reaction to him. Gullit was terrible with how he handled the senior players and it turned ever so toxic behind the scenes at the start of 99-00 but he knew when it was time to leave. Carver was just embarrassing and incompetent but simply should never have been given the rest of 2014-15. The decision to give him the interim job almost sent us down which is astounding given where we were in the league when he was given it. McClaren was an uninspiring, wet flannel but again should never have been given the job in the first place. Another Charnley masterstroke. Shearer was just a desperate roll of the dice that didn't work. I posted a couple pages back but Dalglish is an odd one to me. Surely at the time it was the most logical appointment to make; only manager besides Ferguson to have won the PL, worked with Shearer and Batty at Blackburn, his success at Liverpool as a manager and the romantics about succeeding Keegan in some form again? When he had Keegan's side, we only lost 2 league games under him from when he took over in January '97 until the end of the season and had some great wins at home, thrashed a lot of teams including the memorable wins against Leicester and Forest. Probably as mentioned prior in this thread he just didn't have the money? Ginola asked to leave in March '97 like plus a lot of Keegan's team were aging but those replacements, fuck me. But I never see him as a fraud or owt. Roeder took us on a hell of a run and was a great tonic post Souness in 2005-06 but again should probably have not been given the job. Great person however who dispelled that 'Geordies hate cockneys' myth and is really missed. Will always admire Chris Hughton for what he did here, we looked absolutely fucked in pre season 2009 but he won us the Championship at a canter. Had great days under him and should never have been sacked when he was. Edited October 13, 2022 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) The higher the more I dislike HATE DISLIKE/DISGUST Dalglish Bruce Allardyce Souness Kinnear Pardew APATHY Carver McClaren Gullit The lower the more I like FONDNESS Shearer Roeder Hughton Benitez Howe ADORE Robson Keegan Edited October 13, 2022 by Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) HATED AS NUFC MANAGER AND A HUMAN BEING Steve Fat Bacon Kabab Cabbagehead Bruce DISLIKE Pardew Kinnear Carver Allardyce Souness Dalglish Gullit APATHY Shearer McClaren FONDNESS Roeder Hughton ADORE Keegan Robson Benitez Howe To be fair, the latter 2 on my list I adore already due to what they had and have brought to the cloob and city as a whole. Their success on tne pitch is probably not as high as the other two (yet for Howe) but off it, they brought the fans together in the dark times and also the new future we are currently on. Edited October 13, 2022 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cattletrucked Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 HATE: Bruce Gullit Kinnear DISLIKE (Most dislike at the top) Allardyce Souness Pardew Dalglish McClaren APATHY Carver Shearer FONDNESS Hughton Roeder Benitez ADORE Keegan Robson Howe Special mention for Joe Harvey bordering on FONDNESS/ADORE …for the Fairs Cup win and some of the stuff we played with Supermac/Tudor/Hibbitt/Green/McDermott etc etc was a joy to watch at times and battered many great sides of that time, just couldn’t get that consistency, but he’s a legend in my eyes from those great days in the Leazes End. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I’m confused about why so few people hate Carver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I think with Carver he was just out of his depth and never a manager. Fond memories of him being Robson's number 2 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) He was a combative cunt with the fanbase wasn’t he, and a firm advocate of ‘Mike’? Edited October 13, 2022 by Hovagod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Carver was just puppet as he was already in place to succeed Pardew and becuase of his past connections to the club. And in the end, somehow 'the team' escaped relegation. Had we been releagted on that final day, he'd be on the hate list of a lot of people. Probably near the top 3 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Hovagod said: He was a combative cunt with the fanbase wasn’t he, and a firm advocate of ‘Mike’? I think again a lot of that being he wasn't a proper manager. He didn't know how to deal with certain scenarios (starting on our own fans wasn't clever, like). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 19 hours ago, Minhosa said: Also using the @Chris_Rtemplate, albeit with a slight modification for for most hated and most loved; MOST HATED Dalglish HATE Bruce Pardew Kinnear Carver Allardyce DISLIKE/DISGUST Souness McClaren APATHY Shearer Gullitt Roeder FONDNESS Hughton ADORE Robson Howe Rafa MOST ADORED KK There should be another category of laughably inept and unworthy of feeling: Kinnear McClaren Carver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Kinnear and Carver deserve hate, they were both absolutely awful and full of self regard. McClaren is a weird one because he isn't a dinosaur in his methods or anything but just was totally unable to get the squad motivated or together. He was inept and nothing went right but I don't hate him at all really, just useless in the wrong club at the wrong time. Was really weird considering he had more backing than a lot of the other ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Kinnear was a really shameful period tbh, especially the second time. I don't know if he was cut from the very same cloth as Ashley, Wise et al - I think his heart was still very much in football as opposed to cockney spivvery - but by the time he was DoF he was about as appropriate for the role as Bronn was for Master of Coin. As manager he was similar to Bruce in that the Premier League had moved on far too much since his previous stint for him to be of any real use, not to mention he wasn't in a fit state to actually carry out the role. Aye we might have stayed up but we were still rubbish and worse than the sum of our parts. We hadn't won in eight games (in all comps) by the time he went off sick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) I'm only apathy on McCaren, think he was an OK manager for his time but just lacked the confidence to continue his approach when we kept on losing. I would say Rafa is probably more fondness than adore, looking back. I loved his time here but I knew it was just a sticking plaster and would eventually crumble due to Ashley. Edited October 13, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I think McClaren was a very poor manager but I dislike him a lot less than Pardew, Bruce, Souness, Carver, Kinnear and Allardyce as he seems like a decent bloke and he’s quite amusing. The others listed above have huge egos, were awful and are all dickheads of the highest order Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I just can’t hate Kinnear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Why? Because he was an absolute buffoon and so incredibly out of his depth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, gbandit said: Why? Because he was an absolute buffoon and so incredibly out of his depth? There’s a difference between him and Carver and the bullshit Bruce spouted though carver also has the sir Bobby backing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Pure hatred in order 1.Bruce 2.Allardyce 3. Souness Dislike in no particular order Pardew Kinnear Daglish Gullit Meh Carver Benitez Liked Roeder Hughton Loved Keegan Robson Howe Alot more hatred of pardew on here than I give him and also a lot more love for benitez. Both managed in a shit era and in different ways both lowered their expectations for the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, jack j said: Pure hatred in order 1.Bruce 2.Allardyce 3. Souness Dislike in no particular order Pardew Kinnear Daglish Gullit Meh Carver Benitez Liked Roeder Hughton Loved Keegan Robson Howe Alot more hatred of pardew on here than I give him and also a lot more love for benitez. Both managed in a shit era and in different ways both lowered their expectations for the club Eh?! Rafa constantly said how we should be as a club and ‘just surviving’ was a joke for a club like ours hence him constantly calling out Ashley! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Benitez lowered his expectations for the club? He was the only manager other than Keegan who genuinely pushed against Ashley and saw that the club could be so much more than what it was. Pardew talked us down at every opportunity and would have been delighted finishing seventeenth season on season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Saying Rafa lowered the expectations is one of the most mental takes I've read The reason he didn't stick around was because the club was pointless. I still love his quote about us not being a stepping stone, sadly it's not something Ashley remotely supported him with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 16 hours ago, huss9 said: without Rafa there would have been no Howe. Indeed If a lot of reports are to be believed he is the one that first brought Staveley to the table, so even if people weren't keen on his playing style, how you can't adore the guy is beyond me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I only really ‘hate’ the ones who continue to talk shite tbh. I absolutely despised Pardew at the time but it’s hard to really muster up any strong feelings towards him nowadays. If it wasn’t for the darkly comical insanity from some of the dreadful managers we’ve had we’d actually have very little remember from Ashley’s reign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Loved to hated: Howe Keegan Robson Rafa Houghton Roeder Shearer (simply because he was a legend) Dalglish Guillit Carver Kinnear Pardew Allardyce Souness Bruce (Pardew is an odd one because I despised him because of the length of time he hung on but he did manage a 5th, he's also been nicer about us in public than Souness). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Defo Bruce and Souness at the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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