Froggy Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 minute ago, Chris_R said: To be fair you could say that Howe's only (substantial) club role saw him get Bournemouth relegated. Not slating Howe or defending Southgate, but throwing that over thing at him that happened 15 years ago when he was in his 30s probably isn't terribly relevant. It's incredibly disrespectful to the Premier League Manager of the Month August 2008. We'd be lucky to have him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Just now, Chris_R said: To be fair you could say that Howe's only (substantial) club role saw him get Bournemouth relegated. Not slating Howe or defending Southgate, but throwing that over thing at him that happened 15 years ago when he was in his 30s probably isn't terribly relevant. Yeah, never mind the fact Howe brought Bournemouth up to the Premier league from administration in league 2 against all the odds, and kept them in the Premier league for a number of years, all while playing football that was enjoyable to watch, before eventually going down that COVID year. Come on now. Are we really comparing all that to Southgate's stint at Boro? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 10 minutes ago, Chris_R said: To be fair you could say that Howe's only (substantial) club role saw him get Bournemouth relegated. Not slating Howe or defending Southgate, but throwing that over thing at him that happened 15 years ago when he was in his 30s probably isn't terribly relevant. Pretty shit argument when he got them promoted through the 3 leagues below. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 5 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, never mind the fact Howe brought Bournemouth up to the Premier league from administration in league 2 against all the odds, and kept them in the Premier league for a number of years, all while playing football that was enjoyable to watch, before eventually going down that COVID year. Come on now. Are we really comparing all that to Southgate's stint at Boro? I can remember lots of Newcastle Fans at the time of Southgate's sacking at Boro when they were level on points with us fwiw, praising Boro for taking action when needed. Obviously looked a bit foolish a few months later, but there are sliding door moments all over football. Who knows what might've happened at Boro if they'd held their nerve back in 2008/09? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Haven't seen anything from Southgate managing a club that makes me think he's be anything other than an unmitigated disaster at Man U or anywhere else. Crossing my fingers he gets the job tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 28 minutes ago, KaKa said: Yeah, never mind the fact Howe brought Bournemouth up to the Premier league from administration in league 2 against all the odds, and kept them in the Premier league for a number of years, all while playing football that was enjoyable to watch, before eventually going down that COVID year. Come on now. Are we really comparing all that to Southgate's stint at Boro? 20 minutes ago, Nucasol said: Pretty shit argument when he got them promoted through the 3 leagues below. Did either of you read what I wrote? I'm probably Howe's biggest supporter, I live in Bournemouth. I've wanted him to manage Newcastle for a decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 14 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Did either of you read what I wrote? I'm probably Howe's biggest supporter, I live in Bournemouth. I've wanted him to manage Newcastle for a decade. Fair enough. Just think there was so much more on the lead up to that relegation, which Southgate doesn't really have, and so wasn't comparable. But reading back over it, I can kind of see what you meant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 hours ago, Chris_R said: To be fair you could say that Howe's only (substantial) club role saw him get Bournemouth relegated. Not slating Howe or defending Southgate, but throwing that over thing at him that happened 15 years ago when he was in his 30s probably isn't terribly relevant. Words fail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 It could possibly have been worded better but it was pretty obvious the point @Chris_R was making like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Low levels of comprehension skills on show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Yeah my sole point was that having a relegation on your CV doesn't make you a bad manager in and of itself. Thought it would be clear? Good or even great managers have suffered relegations, Howe & Benitez spring to mind, and it doesn't by itself make you a bad manager so saying "Southgate was relegated with Boro" doesn't by itself mean he's shit. You need more than that. For the record I don't think he's a good manager but I base that on way more than something that happened 15 years back when he was in his 30s and just cutting his teeth in management at a club that historically competes outside the top flight and has a very limited budget. The flip side would be that he kept said club IN the PL for 2 years prior to the relegation, which in itself is at least a decent performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Yeah my sole point was that having a relegation on your CV doesn't make you a bad manager in and of itself. Thought it would be clear? Good or even great managers have suffered relegations, Howe & Benitez spring to mind, and it doesn't by itself make you a bad manager so saying "Southgate was relegated with Boro" doesn't by itself mean he's shit. You need more than that. For the record I don't think he's a good manager but I base that on way more than something that happened 15 years back when he was in his 30s and just cutting his teeth in management at a club that historically competes outside the top flight and has a very limited budget. The flip side would be that he kept said club IN the PL for 2 years prior to the relegation, which in itself is at least a decent performance. Shouldn't have lowered yourself kidda 😂 But fair play 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 no wonder EH didn’t seem too thrilled to work with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Probably accidentally ccd Rob Dawson at ESPN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 31/03/2024 at 07:23, Ben said: So it looks like our Judas and Gareth Southgate were a Sir Dave Brailsford birthday party a few weeks back, is that allowed ? Looks like there could have been something in this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymac1966 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 I'll judge him by his geraniums anyone can grow leeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Probably can't deny him freedom choosing who he meets up with in his spare-time (mind he has a lot of that, like ). However it's just too obvious this guy is breaching the term og his gardening leave / contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Poisonous little cunt. Delighted he isn’t calling the shots here any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 He’s really fucked his career up. Reputation is in the bin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 9 hours ago, Terrymac1966 said: anyone can grow leeks Club members now frothing like Billy Elliot's dad being told Wayne Sleep is not gay. Edited June 11 by Teslact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said: If I were a conspiracist I'd say this is all part of an effort so that Man Utd can 'turn him down' while saving some face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie_once_removed Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Apologies if asked already but what are Newcastle's options if Man United decide to walk away? Can they still demand some compensation? He clearly can't come back and you've lost the use of a key employee (while still paying him). On Southgate as a manager, I broadly like him as England manager but international football is so different from club football and I think it will really expose his biggest weaknesses as a manager and not really compliment his strengths. Specifically his lack of tactical flexibility and ability to impact games with changes while no one will really care that much about how he carries himself with dignity and seems to impart that on his team. When you're a club manager you're not really representing anything bigger/embodying and broader principles, so why would people care that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 15 minutes ago, Geordie_once_removed said: Apologies if asked already but what are Newcastle's options if Man United decide to walk away? Can they still demand some compensation? He clearly can't come back and you've lost the use of a key employee (while still paying him). On Southgate as a manager, I broadly like him as England manager but international football is so different from club football and I think it will really expose his biggest weaknesses as a manager and not really compliment his strengths. Specifically his lack of tactical flexibility and ability to impact games with changes while no one will really care that much about how he carries himself with dignity and seems to impart that on his team. When you're a club manager you're not really representing anything bigger/embodying and broader principles, so why would people care that much. Our options? If man united decided they didn’t want Ashworth I imagine he would rot on gardening leave and go at the end of his contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, PauloGeordio said: Say United again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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