Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[B-more Mag]

11 minutes ago, LFEE said:

€24m seems affordable for us.

Of course we wouldn’t have gotten the Red Bull shell game discount. 

[St1pe]

1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

We should be looking at loan deals at this point if budgetary constraints are so keenly felt. Offer a sizeable loan fee with a view to a permanent deal.

 

Hudson-Odoi

Pepe

Ziyech

Lucas Moura

 

Some names perhaps not realistic, but not confident we’re going to be bringing anyone else in on a permanent deal.

Any of those names would be mint if it were at all possible. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, St1pe said:

Any of those names would be mint if it were at all possible. 

Not sure how you can say Pepe would be mint ?

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Ziyech would be brilliant,  wouldn’t want any permanent option for Moura. Would take Hudson-Odoi as a last resort, and would go nowhere near Pepe.

Would be very happy with Hudson-Odoi and I think the club should be pressing quite hard for him personally.

[KaKa]

Enquired about Conor Gallagher apparently, but Chelsea not looking to let him leave and Gallagher not pushing to leave either. Both stances could possibly change if they land De Jong or some other midfielder.

 

Would be an excellent alternative to Maddison in that RCM spot.

 

https://www.90min.com/posts/conor-gallagher-crystal-palace-newcastle-west-ham-make-enquiry

 

 

[The Prophet]

It's going to be class when a deal suddenly arrives out of the blue, more or less done and dusted.

[Guest HTT II]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Enquired about Conor Gallagher apparently, but Chelsea not looking to let him leave and Gallagher not pushing to leave either. Both stances could possibly change if they land De Jong or some other midfielder.

 

Would be an excellent alternative to Maddison in that RCM spot.

 

https://www.90min.com/posts/conor-gallagher-crystal-palace-newcastle-west-ham-make-enquiry

 

 

I rate him highly, but again, I’d rather give Anderson a chance and develop him into a goalscoring and assisting midfielder/attacker. Obviously I wouldn’t say no to neither nor CHO who I also rate highly.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by HTT II

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

Enquired about Conor Gallagher apparently, but Chelsea not looking to let him leave and Gallagher not pushing to leave either. Both stances could possibly change if they land De Jong or some other midfielder.

 

Would be an excellent alternative to Maddison in that RCM spot.

 

https://www.90min.com/posts/conor-gallagher-crystal-palace-newcastle-west-ham-make-enquiry

 

 

Think his and their reluctance to let him go will change in the last week of the window 

[KaKa]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Think his and their reluctance to let him go will change in the last week of the window 

 

Yeah, that's pretty much what the article says. If we offer the kind of money (or even less?) we have been for the likes of Harrison or Maddison, can see Chelsea accepting.

[Rich]

But will we want to do the deal if it's just a season-long loan with no option, based on Howe's recent comments?

[Skeletor]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

It's going to be class when a deal suddenly arrives out of the blue, more or less done and dusted.

 

Unless it's another Chris Wood.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Rich said:

But will we want to do the deal if it's just a season-long loan with no option, based on Howe's recent comments?

I might be wrong, but I read those comments as him saying we would only do that type of deal as a last resort. Not sure we are at that stage yet mind.

[Sean]

1 minute ago, Skeletor said:

 

Unless it's another Chris Wood.

Or another Maddison that arrives out of the blue but is nowhere near being done 

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I rate him highly, but again, I’d rather give Anderson a chance and develop him into a goalscoring and assisting midfielder/attacker.

 

Anderson is the future. 

 

Think we're looking to add goals to the team here and now, and Gallagher got 8 in the league last season, he's also a top tier pressing player, so can definitely see the attraction. He's also a better athlete than Maddison and carries the ball through the middle very well. Only 22 years old too!

 

I actually think I'd prefer him to Maddison due to his energy and athleticism. Would be a great addition.

[Guest HTT II]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

Anderson is the future. 

 

Think we're looking to add goals to the team here and now, and Gallagher got 8 in the league last season, he's also a top tier pressing player, so can definitely see the attraction. He's also a better athlete than Maddison and carries the ball through the middle very well. Only 22 years old too!

 

I actually think I'd prefer him to Maddison due to his energy and athleticism. Would be a great addition.

He did have a stand out first season with Palace last season, 8 goals was very impressive and I imagine he learned a lot under Vieira. Again I wouldn’t say no!

[SUPERTOON]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, that's pretty much what the article says. If we offer the kind of money (or even less?) we have been for the likes of Harrison or Maddison, can see Chelsea accepting.

He would have a lot of interest in him, wonder if his preference would be to stay in London ? 

[Nucasol]

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

He would have a lot of interest in him, wonder if his preference would be to stay in London ? 

Looks a right Home Counties nonce.

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

He would have a lot of interest in him, wonder if his preference would be to stay in London ? 

 

Hard to say, but no doubt we'd be able to make him a very attractive offer. I think he'd be up for it.

[ponsaelius]

53 minutes ago, LFEE said:

€24m seems affordable for us.

 

Agreed to sell him next summer rather than now.

 

Barely even a real transfer tbf. Red Bull corp have basically just decided to keep him in house until they can sell at 'proven in Bundesliga' value in 2-3 years rather than now.

 

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by ponsaelius

[kingxlnc]

It's a shame if that Sesko news is true. He along with Sulemana were the two youngsters I was hoping for as it would make us the fastest team in the PL. 

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

Agreed to sell him next summer rather than now.

 

Barely even a real transfer tbf. Red Bull corp have basically just decided to keep him in house until they can sell at 'proven in Bundesliga' value in 2-3 years rather than now.

 

 

 

 

Yup, I imagine there'll be a huge % of the fee from the next sale from Leipzig then going back to Salzburg.

[gdm]

3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

 

Agreed to sell him next summer rather than now.

 

Barely even a real transfer tbf. Red Bull corp have basically just decided to keep him in house until they can sell at 'proven in Bundesliga' value in 2-3 years rather than now.

 

 

 

That and what’s going on with Barca. There is some real shady shit in the world of football. 

[Nucasol]

6 minutes ago, gdm said:

That and what’s going on with Barca. There is some real shady shit in the world of football. 

Also Lille and Milan previously but thankfully that got rumbled or we wouldn’t have got Wor Sven.

[Jackie Broon]

2 hours ago, Tomato Deuce said:

Good move for Sesko and Leipzig.

 

Must've been a really tough negotiation between the Red Bull owned FC Red Bull Salzburg and the totally not Red Bull owned RB Leipzig completely coincidentally run by Red Bull's 'Head of Global Soccer'.

[Milanista]

Why should you even look to other Prem clubs to do transfer business? With all due respect, the EPL is an overpriced market. The fact Cucurella went for 60m or whatever, is absurd. Patently absurd. "EPL proven" is an overrated mantra that makes no sense when like 66% of players in the EPL are from... outside the EPL to begin with. Players can be world-class, but if you misuse them, if things are going on around them, if you're asking them to do things that are different to what made them desirable, they're going to fail.

 

The idea of an "EPL tax" is controversial, and I think a big part of that is looking at what teams will spend in the EPL versus in other leagues. So striker X comes to Everton, for example, striker X came from a ball dominant, title-chasing team in Portugal or Holland, it's a different style. Lukaku was used in a counter-attacking, speed focused 352 at Inter under Conte. The 343 at Chelsea is slow, labored, and terrible for all attackers. Lukaku is still a good player, but he's being misused. He scored a lot at West Brom and Everton, and in his first year at Man Utd, so it's not about Lukaku suddenly being unable to deal with the EPL, it's really about fitting in players, and a whole host of other factors. Maguire is exposed at Man Utd because his team is supposed to be on the front foot. He's expected to do some more one-on-one defending. For England, I'm sorry, but Southgate plays like a coward. England played with a 5-man-backline. England was at their best when they were attacking relentlessly, but I digress. The point is: Maguire looks good when he's playing in a system that allows him to just be the extra defender, a glorified sweeper.

 

Everyone thinks that Newcastle is going to spend, and that you'll spend way more than you have to, and frankly, the Wood transfer didn't help that perception--but obviously the fact that your owners are PIF, people are going to play hardball with you. The only thing you can do is build patiently and preach the FFP mantra, and your management has to show that they will be disciplined and walk away from deals, wait until January, or the next summer.

 

Patience is going to be required, and I say this because Milan's management and yours seem to follow very similar approaches. They're not going to be bullied, they're not going to overpay, they're not going to be emotional or overreact about what they need. Milan fans are kicking-and-screaming, but I don't think they appreciate that when your club gets bought for 1.2 billion (and that's for 60-70% without a stadium) other clubs are going to think you have more money. Just like clubs think Newcastle has more money. Which, in fairness, both clubs most probably do.

 

But patience is required, though.

 

Look at Man Utd, they're about to get Rabiot? Why? He's a good, tidy player. But he's not what they need. Is he better than Fred and McTominay? Yes, but is that saying much? Also: they need someone who can handle the ball better. Rabiot is skilled for a defensive-CM (he's not exactly a DM, he's like a Matuidi-type [but not as good]) but he's got a terrible attitude, so why bring him to Manchester? When attitude problems abound? Arnatuavic, the child's drawing of Ibrahimovic, is good for mid-table Bologna, but he's a jerk. He causes trouble. And maybe at 33 he's finally calmed down, but he's not what they need (personality-wise)--he wouldn't be the worst thing, he might actually be useful (style-wise), but, he's tailor made for a smaller club, not Manchester United.

 

When our owners first came in, we had Leonardo (of PSG... "fame") and he bought a lot of players. He brought in Samu Castillejo for 25m, Mattia Caldara who was supposed to be the next great Italian CB (tore his achilles [I don't hold major injuries as flops, personally], exchanged for Bonucci, so 35m), Piatek (35m), Paqueta (35-40m), Diego Laxalt (20m), Higuain (18m loan + 36m option to buy) which we thankfully cut short, and other various loan-spells, spending around 180m--and it was a disaster. We lost money on every single deal.

 

Anyway, the point of this post is to provide yourselves (and myself, lol) some reassurance to take a longer-term view, and to realize that judging transfer windows by the amount spent, the names brought in (are they familiar to you? Have they been hyped by fans and pundits?), is the worst way to look at the transfer window.

 

We "lost" the battle with you over Botman. Personally, I think in January we wanted Botman, badly, but our defensive scheme changed drastically from January to the summer, with the emergence of Kalulu (who we paid 500k for) to pair with our English darling Fik Tomori, and we now have the best defense in Serie A. The point is, Botman will fit your system better than he will fit ours. We could have went into a bidding war, but what's the point? Lille just wanted to extract more money from whoever. And frankly, Botman wasn't that expensive for the EPL, when you compare the prices of other CBs. Getting buy-in from a player is more important, and walking away from a transfer "over a few million" is going to have to be the norm, otherwise, you'll be in a worse spot in more deals later on. The football world is a small place, word gets around.

 

Leeds offered 40m for CDK, our new player. We paid 32m. We were patient and were willing to walk away. The kid wanted to come to Milan. I fear he's doomed because of the comparisons to Kaka, who he doesn't play like at all, Kaka had blistering pace, anyway... The EPL has a reputation for overpaying and Newcastle has the biggest target on its back. If you buy players just to have one, you'll be stuck with them. It's better to trust who you have, even if you suffer short-term, because there's no need to overpay. Man Utd have overpaid, as have Barca, and they are stuck with them. So have Chelsea. Werner has obscene wages. Barca are trying to threaten De Jong with "criminal litigation" because they want to screw him out of wages that he's owed, while they are using borrowed money to pay 55m for Kounde and 50m for a 34-year-old Lewa, and they're wondering why he won't forgo wages they owe him.

 

Our management has shown us they are to be trusted, and so, if yours has, then give them the benefit of the doubt, and leave behind the mentality that has led to absurd wages and transfer fees. Man Utd has been run as if Man Utd fans have been in charge, they all pretend they weren't excited about CR7 or Fred or Maguire or Wan-Bissaka or Sancho and on and on. It seems Newcastle is being run like any other business where the price of players is finally featuring the possibility of failure as a factor. Newcastle's expectations aren't the CL--so there's no need for urgency. You're not in a "win now" scenario, risks don't have to be taken, you have to build up the spine of your team, and that's going to take time. Pushing for signings means overpaying, because players that you love today, might become failures tomorrow.

 

This has gone on way too long, anyway, keep the faith, stay the course, you all are so, so nice to me and kind people, I really appreciate the hospitality.