triggs Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just because something is a custom somewhere doesn’t make it immune from criticism. Bull fighting is a Spanish tradition and it’s f***ing garbage, shouldn’t be afforded any kind of special treatment because it’s entrenched in their culture. That’s a completely facile argument. If you apply that argument unilaterally we can’t comment on any issues outside of our own, which is patently completely ridiculous. Nobody said just because it's a custom it should be immune from criticism. However, if we are going to criticise something in a different culture we should perhaps look at a bit of context first. For the "blacking up" example Wullie made, why should that be seen as racist in Spain based on something that was happening in a different country with a different language and culture years and years ago? For the Bilbao players referring to Inaki Williams as "darkie" why is that any different to nicknames based on something else in a person's physical appearance? It's only different because we have been taught that it's different, there is nothing inherently wrong with a nickname based on the colour of someone's skin, no moreso than a nickname based on somebody's height, etc. I mean there definitely is a difference. No one was ever hung or persecuted based on their height. That comparison doesn’t work at all To someone who is from an English speaking country it doesn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Messi FIFA best player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Well deserved Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Well deserved Totally agree - he was on a different planet to everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 real Madrid players in best 11. Absolutely comical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Marcelo is finished at the top level. These awards have always been total shite but at least common sense has prevailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest neesy111 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Ronaldo couldn't even be bothered to turn up as he knew he wasn't winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Throwing this out again more in hope than expectation - anyone know how I can buy official tickets for Spain home games (particularly the Romania game in November) through official sites? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Throwing this out again more in hope than expectation - anyone know how I can buy official tickets for Spain home games (particularly the Romania game in November) through official sites? Doesn't look like they're on sale yet but sign up to https://tickets.rfef.es/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 https://intl.stubhub.es/entradas-spain-vs-romania-2020-qualifiers/ev972216 Stubhub is the official seller, used to be TicketBis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'm expecting Bilva to get a 1 game ban tbh. Andre Gray got a suspension for a racial comment to a group of people - he technically belongs too. If he got a suspension for that, Bilva is due one for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just because something is a custom somewhere doesn’t make it immune from criticism. Bull fighting is a Spanish tradition and it’s f***ing garbage, shouldn’t be afforded any kind of special treatment because it’s entrenched in their culture. That’s a completely facile argument. If you apply that argument unilaterally we can’t comment on any issues outside of our own, which is patently completely ridiculous. Nobody said just because it's a custom it should be immune from criticism. However, if we are going to criticise something in a different culture we should perhaps look at a bit of context first. For the "blacking up" example Wullie made, why should that be seen as racist in Spain based on something that was happening in a different country with a different language and culture years and years ago? For the Bilbao players referring to Inaki Williams as "darkie" why is that any different to nicknames based on something else in a person's physical appearance? It's only different because we have been taught that it's different, there is nothing inherently wrong with a nickname based on the colour of someone's skin, no moreso than a nickname based on somebody's height, etc. The context is Spain & Portugal are two countries with a history that actively partook in the enslavement trade of African people and the colonialisation of Africa. This hasn't happened in isolation - it's based on a caricature and dehumanisation of African people that enables racism. Even if I accept what you're saying. In some countries, it's perfectly fine for grown men to marry 13-year-old girls. If they have a period, they are technically women so there's nothing inherently wrong with that I guess? When you're in a country, you must abide by the laws and norms of that society. You don't get drunk and leary in public in Dubai and you don't post African caricatures for public consumption in Manchester. Criticism by people is going to happen in both societies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I was going to say, I don't think you can really excuse the Balthazar stuff just because it's a tradition. You certainly can't just write off any critique as anglocentric bias. Spain's colonial and racial history is pretty similar to the UK, and as such any tradition that involves blacking up in such a way comes across pretty badly in a post-colonial European nation that now has a quite significant black population. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Merson being daft again saying Messi winning best fifa players is a joke. Says he hasn’t taken Barcelona to another level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 That plank gives alchies a bad name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Can’t see the Toon on any of the fixtures for tonight’s league cup, does that mean they are playing tomorrow? Might go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'm seriously a little confused here, a picture of his team mate as a child looks a bit like a character from a well known Spanish chocolate brand. Team mate responds and finds it funny. Perhaps a little naive to put this on Twitter, but the reaction is crazy. So are only white people allowed to be used for funny/joke comparisons? I really don't get the jumping all over this and don't see any racism. The whole over reaction is incredibly cringe worthy, but totally expected nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7500317/Wolves-face-1bn-losses-Thomas-Cook-collapse-owners-Fosun-receive-lucky-escape.html Not been a good season for Wolves on or off the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-49823006 football friend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-49823006 football friend The man arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty - which police said was related to a horse - was also arrested for attempted criminal damage. Had to read that twice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-49808709 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Derby's Richard Keogh out for the season after a drink driving incident involving Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-49823006 football friend Someones been watching to much blazing saddles :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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