Group B: England, Iran, United States, Wales (England and USA qualify)

[Groundhog63]

I stand by this.... 

[Interpolic]

What does traditional forward mean? 

[Wullie]

With England, there's always some weird clamour for one particular player. Was Grealish last time, now Foden. I think Foden's a phenomenal player but there's a sense he's very wedded, understandably, to the Man City system. He has never done it for England and it's understandable Southgate went first to players who have.

 

Would have been Maddison folk were moaning about last night if he'd been fit btw.

[GideonShandy]

3 hours ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

Im not saying cheating doesn’t happen. But the reaction is very different. I’ve seen Argentine journalists say, the reason why that game against England, is so special, aside ofcourse from the political backdrop, is because “the two goals perfectly encapsulates the Argentine character, both of them. On one hand you get the brilliance of Maradona dribbling past the whole England team, on the other hand you get the the hand of god, that cunningness, is a bit of us too”.

 

here is an interesting vice article.

 

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/nek83w/is-cheating-in-soccer-more-acceptable-in-some-countries-than-others

 

 

 

This bit from the Vice article evidently predates the Australian ball-sandpapering episode.

 

"Hernandez’s cheating admission provoked a particular outcry in Australia, a country which prides itself on the traditional values of sportsmanlike conduct. For Australians, it’s embedded deeply into the national psyche that it’s not only important to compete hard but compete fairly. “It’s because Australian sport prides itself on the gladiatorial aspect,” Huw Bonello, a journalist for Daily Telegraph Australia, told VICE Sports via email. “No matter what the odds are against you, you play hard but always fair. That’s how you are respected.”"

[Groundhog63]

29 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

What does traditional forward mean? 

For me, your Shearer, Kane, Hatley, Bull type.

4-4-2, wingers, jumpers for goal posts. That kind of shit. 

Certainly not a Kane playing 70%of the game in midfield. 

 

We've got a very talented bunch of young players way more suited to a fluid 4-3-3, imho

 

 

Caveat being my statement at the start of that post. 

"I haven't got a scooby" ?

 

[rgk_lfc]

7 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Playing TAA with no striker 

 

The few times we actually looked dangerous were when Trippier played Saka in behind the fullback.

 

 

One my issues with Southgate with yesterday's game was why England didn't use Trippier's deadball ability. They have excellent dribblers - Sterling, Saka, Bellingham, Kane is no slouch at dribbling. Get the ball and run at the US defenders in front of the penalty box and draw fouls. Two or three fouls in the right area and Trippier would have put one in. 

[Cronky]

16 hours ago, Bizza said:

 

Throw the cunts out! 

 

Ermm.... what are they saying?

[LV]

13 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Ermm.... what are they saying?

‘It’s called Soccer’ 

[ilikenewcastle]

3 hours ago, Wullie said:

With England, there's always some weird clamour for one particular player. Was Grealish last time, now Foden. I think Foden's a phenomenal player but there's a sense he's very wedded, understandably, to the Man City system. He has never done it for England and it's understandable Southgate went first to players who have.

 

Would have been Maddison folk were moaning about last night if he'd been fit btw.

I don't like it when players become 'better' the more time they spend on the bench, but Foden is a word class player that most managers would build a team around. At first we started shoehorning him into the team and getting little out of him, now we've just given up completely it would seem.

[cubaricho]

11 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

Second most goals ever in the Prem, incredible statement. Do you really think Southgate should have started Wilson over him?

Wilson pulls the whole team forward and brings the wingers/outside forwards into play, Kane drops back to DM and compresses the whole formation. You would’ve won yesterday with Wilson up front running at Ream and Zimmerman. 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by cubaricho

[oldtype]

10 hours ago, ponsaelius said:

 

Having watched AFC and CONCACAF in the past footballing culture of Middle East teams and Central America is honestly surprisingly similar. There really is a lot of gamesmanship and pushing the boundaries to win. I think if he had caveated it with 'footballing culture' it would be fine. 

I think I speak on behalf of the majority of AFC countries when I say that a lot of the West Asian teams are full of cheating shits.

[huss9]

11 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Rubbish game and a poor performance but so was Scotland in the Euros. Ultimately it's a useful point because all that matters is getting through the group stage; Portugal won the Euros without winning a single match in the group stages. 

 

People (not pointing to anyone here) criticise results at international tournaments as if they're comparable to 38-match league campaigns, when the competitions couldn't be more different. It's a short and condensed schedule where progress is about fine margins. 

 

Obviously we'll have to improve but I just find the "Gotcha!"s re Southgate so tedious whenever we have a poor game. The only result that matters in this setting is the last one. 

we;ve had several poor games since the euros. this isnt really a blip. 

[Disco]

Made him look a right cunt.

[huss9]

jurgen, who won a world cup final by cheating.

[Vinny Green Balls]

4 minutes ago, Disco said:

Made him look a right cunt.

Klinsmann was particularly well known for diving all over the fucking place. That's his culture.

[cubaricho]

[Ronson333]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/carlos-queiroz-jurgen-klinsmann-iran-28593348.amp

[Rafalove]

Britain won the war of 1812

 

 

[GeordieDazzler]

We burnt the fucking White House to the ground but that doesn’t get a mention in the anthem

[huss9]

19 minutes ago, GeordieDazzler said:

We burnt the fucking White House to the ground but that doesn’t get a mention in the anthem

talking about the anthem.

isnt it time we moved on from GST KING/QUEEN?

i mean something to do with our actual country would be better then letting the world know how great our sovereign is.

[Rafalove]

 

[Holloway]

I'd like to think that's the low point of the campaign in terms of performance. Drop Mount and Sterlling for the Wales game and try to get less fucking rigid

[Cronky]

I've often felt that a residing weakness of the British approach to the game is that we rely too much on individuals creating something, rather than something happening from good combination play. That was the striking difference between the two teams on Friday. We seemed to be waiting for someone to produce a spark, which didn't happen. Sterling seems to be there for those hopeful moments when he uses his change of pace and direction to get past his marker. The Americans stopped him from getting the opportunity.

 

It was interesting to hear Southgate talk about the reasoning behind his substitutions. Grealish was on because he could hang on to the ball, perhaps draw fouls, and get us up the pitch where we could get some useful set pieces. Rashford was on for his pace. Foden's great strength is his ability to combine well with his team mates, with speed and accuracy, and despite being under pressure. That wasn't what Southgate seemed to value at that moment, and yet I did feel that he was missing the big picture. 

 

I guess if you play Foden, you really need players around him that can play in a similar way, which is the case at Man City. And I think that means a no to Sterling.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Cronky

[gbandit]

Don’t think there’s any chance of Southgate dropping Sterling unless it’s to give him a rest. He’ll be first choice all tournament 

[cubaricho]

53 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Don’t think there’s any chance of Southgate dropping Sterling unless it’s to give him a rest. He’ll be first choice all tournament 

Which if y’all want to keep playing the “he’s out of form but, well, he plays well for England” card like y’all are doing for Pickford and Maguire and the like, then Sterling absolutely gets a start every time. He single-handidly kept y’all in the Euros. And yet y’all just shit on him constantly. 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by cubaricho