The Europeometer™ (2024/25)

[Shadow Puppets]

I see there are a lot of calls for Klopp to get a 2-3 game touchline ban for his antics at the weekend. Could be a big deal in the run in if it happens.

[The Prophet]

If they truly want to banging the "protect officials" drum, you can't be banning Mitro and not Klopp. What Mitro did was much worse, but Klopp should still receive a touchline ban of some form. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

He should get a ban and if it was most other managers it would be nailed on

 

This is where having lots of Liverpool sympathisers in the media helps as they aren't scathing towards him acting like a prick 

[KingArthur]

18 hours ago, Alberto2005 said:

Depends, if we only get 6 points it means we've lost 3 games which might mean a hit to our GD.

Then it depends on Liverpool, if they win all 5 there's a good chance they've scored a fair amount.

Or 1-3-1 record?

[Scotty66]

I always find touchline bans weird. 

I mean they can still communicate to their assistant right so they actually get a better view of the game from the stand and just tell the assistant what subs to make etc. 

 

A ban should be a ban from the stadium imo. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Scotty66 said:

I always find touchline bans weird. 

I mean they can still communicate to their assistant right so they actually get a better view of the game from the stand and just tell the assistant what subs to make etc. 

 

A ban should be a ban from the stadium imo. 

 

Definitely, they shouldn't be able to manage the game, like a player can't play. 

[Stifler]

There has been a few times in the past where managers have been banned from the stadium because they were doing just that.

 

Klopp will either get a suspended ban, or a fine, if they even go that far.

Even if they do give him a ban, I’m fully expecting it to not apply until next season.

[Shadow Puppets]

3 minutes ago, Stifler said:

There has been a few times in the past where managers have been banned from the stadium because they were doing just that.

 

Klopp will either get a suspended ban, or a fine, if they even go that far.

Even if they do give him a ban, I’m fully expecting it to not apply until next season.

Why?

[Abacus]

With Klopp, a stadium ban just means he can't verbally abuse the officials in person for a few games, which is hardly anything. It's the culture he's set and is a part of which is the problem. Even his (much younger and less experienced) players don't carry on like him.

 

I'd be all for a very heavy penalty here. If Mitrovich gets a lengthy ban for his behaviour, then an adult who is in charge of the whole team with many more years of experience should get worse.

 

Ultimately, for persistently implying that officials are corrupt and haranguing them in front of a baying crowd should be sackable as it undermines the integrity of the league.

 

But, on the other hand, maybe I just can't stand the whinging idiot 

[Yorkie]

Pards got two games and £20k fine for which was obviously outside the current (quite particular) context of conduct towards officials. Klopp should be getting at least a game and a fine. Frankly Pardew's was too soft as well but whatever. 

[Novocastrian]

Ok, after some reflection I think we need 4 points from Arsenal/Leeds and 3 points from Brighton/Leicester. We won’t lose to Arsenal and despite Fat Sam’s reprise and Leeds bluster we are far too good for them. Either way I see us beating Chelsea last game of the season too a bit like the Fulham Rafa game.

[wormy]

Don't know if it's already been posted but I have to say it's ridiculous you've got the CEO of Ref Support UK (who I don't think I've ever even heard of ) talking about points deductions and how the FA should do more (https://www.givemesport.com/fa-urged-to-hit-liverpool-with-points-deduction-following-4-3-win-v-tottenham/). 

 

As much as Klopp is a cunt who I hope gets hung out to dry at every opportunity, if the referees out there being abused who you want to support had a sufficient pair on them to keep a match under control and punish accordingly you wouldn't need to be talking about points deductions.

[ohmelads]

20 hours ago, ilikenewcastle said:

It's not ideal at all, but you have to say we've handled the pressure superbly recently. Easy to forget that the Spurs game was a pivotal clash between 4th and 5th because of the farce it became.

 

There's no logical reason to think we won't get top 4, the odds of us missing out are 1/20 and no non-nufc fan I speak to thinks there is any possibility of us not qualifying. Does any of this make me feel better? NO.

 

I think those 1/20 odds are bookies covering their arses. Liverpool are only 5/1 to get CL, and 4/1 with some bookies.

[Chicken Dancer]

20 minutes ago, ohmelads said:

 

I think those 1/20 odds are bookies covering their arses. Liverpool are only 5/1 to get CL, and 4/1 with some bookies.

 

Aye but remember Liverpool could also catch Man Utd.

 

Is a bit of a pisser we will be playing Leeds who'll have Allardyce there. I know they're shit and we should be beating them comfortably, but that big lump seems to have some Voodoo shit going on since we sacked him. Can't stand the bloke.

 

We 100% should quite easily get 7 points from 5 games, but I will still be shitting myself when Liverpool are inevitably 3 points behind us before we play Arsenal on Sunday (granted with 2 games in hand).

[TRon]

We could have done without Leeds sacking their manager tbh, they looked down and out. Any change is likely to see players try to raise their games in front of a new manager, even if it's Sam Allardyce.

 

Hopefully Man City will give them a good caning before we play them, just to deflate the new manager bounce.

[STM]

Funny because I looked at Allardyces appointment as a blessing for us.

 

This idea that him and Dyche are specialists at fighting relegation battles is nonsense. They are backs to the wall, long ball merchants.

 

I'd like to see Leeds play direct against us. We will end up with 90% possession and about 300 shots.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, TRon said:

We could have done without Leeds sacking their manager tbh, they looked down and out. Any change is likely to see players try to raise their games in front of a new manager, even if it's Sam Allardyce.

 

Hopefully Man City will give them a good caning before we play them, just to deflate the new manager bounce.

Hard disagree.

 

Nearly every time there's been 3 legit managers at a club, the 3rd everyone just down's tools. it's too many different ideas, players lose confidence in the project. It happened to us with Shearer, we went out with a whimper. It happened to Watford last season when they sacked Ranieri and brought in Hodgson - they just fell off. Chelsea with Lampard. Southampton with this lad.

 

It's such a terrible fit personnel wise. They still have Championship level defenders and a GK with zero confidence (playing anyone else might be a benefit though). Allardyce is going there for the cheque and to be back in the limelight. Miracle worker if they stay up (they're not actually in the bottom 3 anyway), a draw and a win might be enough to keep em up on GD. And it won't be his fault if they go down.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by The College Dropout

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, STM said:

Funny because I looked at Allardyces appointment as a blessing for us.

 

This idea that him and Dyche are specialists at fighting relegation battles is nonsense. They are backs to the wall, long ball merchants.

 

I'd like to see Leeds play direct against us. We will end up with 90% possession and about 300 shots.

Dyche escaped any criticism for taking Burnley down. IMO Howe was more stained by Bournemouth going down even though Bournemouth were literally robbed.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Dyche escaped any criticism for taking Burnley down. IMO Howe was more stained by Bournemouth going down even though Bournemouth were literally robbed.

 

That's a good point that. Think because Howe did it a prettier way, his achievements of keeping them up for so long don't get recognised. Because Dyche, Pulis, etc play ugly football, it's seen more as scrapping to stay up. 

[Scotty66]

Dyche resurged the players and beat Arsenal in his first home game so you just know Fat Sam will probably do the same against us. 

 

Was looking forward to playing Leeds under Gracia, Howe would rip them to pieces. Still think there's every chance of that but now the players will have much more fight in them. 

[80]

A game for the Wilson Isak combo to smash them back on their arses.

[Magpie]

2 minutes ago, Scotty66 said:

Dyche resurged the players and beat Arsenal in his first home game so you just know Fat Sam will probably do the same against us. 

 

Was looking forward to playing Leeds under Gracia, Howe would rip them to pieces. Still think there's every chance of that but now the players will have much more fight in them. 

Really? Do you recall his last appointment at West Brom? He was brought in to do exactly the same and they were dreadful 

[Big River]

I knew we shouldn't have sacked Big Sam. it's going to come back and haunt us now

[The Prophet]

13 minutes ago, STM said:

Funny because I looked at Allardyces appointment as a blessing for us.

 

This idea that him and Dyche are specialists at fighting relegation battles is nonsense. They are backs to the wall, long ball merchants.

 

I'd like to see Leeds play direct against us. We will end up with 90% possession and about 300 shots.

 

 

I do think it's a bit harsh to lump Dyche in with the dinosaurs, but I agree.

 

You're talking about a POMO-specialist who has been out of the game for two years, after being relegated with a record of 4 wins in 26 during his last gig. He has days to gel a defensively disorganised mess into a side capable of keeping of keeping clean sheets. 

 

I know some folk hate the bed-wetting crack, hence the tongue-in-cheek use of it, but that's genuinely what it is at this point. Just perpetual worrying about everything, all of the time. Unless he's dramatically changed his philosophy, Allerdyce is going to encounter exactly the same problems as Gracia did. It's a mad appointment. 

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

That's a good point that. Think because Howe did it a prettier way, his achievements of keeping them up for so long don't get recognised. Because Dyche, Pulis, etc play ugly football, it's seen more as scrapping to stay up. 

Managers like Allardyce and Bruce get credit for winning relegation battles they got themselves into in the first place through being shit. Howe avoided the battles entirely for the most part, didn't get the same 'survival specialist' plaudits, but then 'took Bournemouth down' when it only happened because of an absolute freak technological failure.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Kid Icarus