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1 hour ago, Likelylad said:

My only thought with Chelsea is that the fans aren’t overly keen on Maresca. All it’ll take is a bad spell and they’ll turn quick.

While this is true - Chelsea just beat Liverpool with their best player out injured - a 18 yo Brazilian genuine wonderkid got the winner.

 

Pretty much 20 of their players would be pushing for a start with us. And that's before Howe-tax.

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2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Chelsea have so much depth they'll finish in the top 4.

 

They won't get Dan Burn at left-back type situations.

 

Chelsea haven't been super impressive the last 2 seasons and finished above us. I expect it to be the same this year unfortunately.

Didn't chelsea play James at CB at the weekend. Their defence is ravaged by injuries. 

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28 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

Didn't chelsea play James at CB at the weekend. Their defence is ravaged by injuries. 

He’s played there before under Tuchel. He’s also played CM under Tuchel too to a high standard.  James is one of the most complete English footballers I’ve seen, hope injuries don’t wreck his career. 
 

It’s taken injuries to 5 players to play Reece James at CB.  


2 injuries and we are playing Dan Burn at LB.  
 

The squad depth is different levels.  

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With the emergence of Anderson and Wharton there isn’t a need. But I thought James could do a solid job at CM for England. I’ve seen him play there under Tuchel before and he was solid. Also played there in the Championship I believe. He’s a much more positionally intelligent player than Trent.  
 

I held on to my James stock.

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48 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

With the emergence of Anderson and Wharton there isn’t a need. But I thought James could do a solid job at CM for England. I’ve seen him play there under Tuchel before and he was solid. Also played there in the Championship I believe. He’s a much more positionally intelligent player than Trent.  
 

I held on to my James stock.

 

Could have been a goat level RB / player without injuries 

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4 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

While this is true - Chelsea just beat Liverpool with their best player out injured - a 18 yo Brazilian genuine wonderkid got the winner.

 

Pretty much 20 of their players would be pushing for a start with us. And that's before Howe-tax.

 

 

Still not convinced on their strike options tbh. Pedro looks more of a no 10, and Delap is out injured. 

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3 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

He’s played there before under Tuchel. He’s also played CM under Tuchel too to a high standard.  James is one of the most complete English footballers I’ve seen, hope injuries don’t wreck his career. 
 

It’s taken injuries to 5 players to play Reece James at CB.  


2 injuries and we are playing Dan Burn at LB.  
 

The squad depth is different levels.  

 

It took Willock 1 year of injuries to become useless for us, meanwhile Reece James is still out there playing at a high level, with this history behind him:

 

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Ofcourse Willock was never near his level anyways, but the difference from pre and post injury was still massive.

 

 

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I don't get how Chelsea's squad is supposed to be so much better than ours this year.

 

People are getting carried away with the hype about Chelsea's young team, but they're not gonna win the league, or challenge for it. They are more like a team that'll finish between 4th and 8th, which is what they've done the last three seasons. 12th, 6th, and 4th. We were 4th, 7th, and 5th.

 

 

Seriously, I don't see how anyone can say Chelsea's team is so much better than ours. I'm not buying it.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

I don't get how Chelsea's squad is supposed to be so much better than ours this year.

 

People are getting carried away with the hype about Chelsea's young team, but they're not gonna win the league, or challenge for it. They are more like a team that'll finish between 4th and 8th, which is what they've done the last three seasons. 12th, 6th, and 4th. We were 4th, 7th, and 5th.

 

 

Seriously, I don't see how anyone can say Chelsea's team is so much better than ours. I'm not buying it.

 

 

 

I think the point is they can sustain CL qualification form even if they have an injury crisis that would cripple us. It's October and we're thin at fullback, still only have one proper, senior striker, and we have three CMs we trust in any game. An injury to Woltemade, Tonali, or Bruno and we're in a lot of trouble.

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4 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

He’s played there before under Tuchel. He’s also played CM under Tuchel too to a high standard.  James is one of the most complete English footballers I’ve seen, hope injuries don’t wreck his career. 
 

It’s taken injuries to 5 players to play Reece James at CB.  


2 injuries and we are playing Dan Burn at LB.  
 

The squad depth is different levels.  

 

Who plays LB for Chelsea after their first two choice LBs are injured out of interest?

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4 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

He’s played there before under Tuchel. He’s also played CM under Tuchel too to a high standard.  James is one of the most complete English footballers I’ve seen, hope injuries don’t wreck his career. 
 

It’s taken injuries to 5 players to play Reece James at CB.  


2 injuries and we are playing Dan Burn at LB.  
 

The squad depth is different levels.  

I feel like this is an unfair interpretation of events.

 

You compared one teams depth at full back to one teams depth at centre back.

 

Pretty much every team in the country with any sense will have more depth at CB than they will at fullback. This is completely natural.

 

A more accurate comparison would be how many injuries would it take for our first choice RB to play CB? and the answer is pretty similar to what Chelsea did with James.

 

I'm sure they have more depth but comparing a teams CB depth to a teams full back depth is always going to look bad for the latter for real obvious reasons.

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5 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

With the emergence of Anderson and Wharton there isn’t a need. But I thought James could do a solid job at CM for England. I’ve seen him play there under Tuchel before and he was solid. Also played there in the Championship I believe. He’s a much more positionally intelligent player than Trent.  
 

I held on to my James stock.


A fully fit James is the best Rb in the world imo.

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3 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

 

I think the point is they can sustain CL qualification form even if they have an injury crisis that would cripple us. It's October and we're thin at fullback, still only have one proper, senior striker, and we have three CMs we trust in any game. An injury to Woltemade, Tonali, or Bruno and we're in a lot of trouble.

Dude, this is just wrong. If Caicedo, Enzo, and JP get injured, Chelsea will be in a lot of trouble too. It's already October, and they're in a CB crisis so bad they're playing James there. You really think they can maintain Champions Leagues form with James at CB? I think you and TCD are wrong there. 

 

 

 

 

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50 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

Dude, this is just wrong. If Caicedo, Enzo, and JP get injured, Chelsea will be in a lot of trouble too. It's already October, and they're in a CB crisis so bad they're playing James there. You really think they can maintain Champions Leagues form with James at CB? I think you and TCD are wrong there. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I disagree with both of you [emoji38]

 

I think TCD is right that their resources give them so many more outs than we have. I agree with you that at some point it would be a problem for them and I don't think they are a certainty to finish ahead of us unless the injuries get worse.

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5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Who plays LB for Chelsea after their first two choice LBs are injured out of interest?

We only have 3 real first team full backs. Our first choice RB is injured and so is our first choice LB. 
 

If James and Cucurella got injured they would start Malo Gusto and Levi Colwil/Jarrel Hato at LB. No idea if Hato is any good or not but he’s a full Dutch International at 19 years old, was a regular at Ajax and was bought for €36m.  Gusto is a 22 year old full French international who I think is decent.  
 

The floor level technical ability of Chelsea’s squad is super high.  This is how they are able to not look convincing but finish above us 2 years in a row.  
 

 

im not suggesting Chelsea can afford for their injury situation to get significantly worse.  But Chelsea are one of maybe 3 teams that could get injuries to 5 CBs, their best player, their starting striker not fit enough to play 90, their backup striker injured - and still win in the CL and beat Liverpool. And they’re going to go again in January.  

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  • 2 weeks later...

9 points in 8 games now. We desperately need a run of wins to get ourselves up and around the European spots. Even the fucking mackems are five points ahead of us.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, TRon said:

CL qualification is fading into the distance. Better make the most of it this time round. 

 

Can easily be turned around with a run of good form. Hopefully when Wissa comes in him and Wolt are firing like fuck for us. 

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16 minutes ago, tarie4 said:

After 8 league games??  Overreacting dont you think?

 

I just don't see the goals in this side until Wissa is back to offer us something different. By that time we could be well off the top 5. 

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49 minutes ago, Decky said:

9 points in 8 games now. We desperately need a run of wins to get ourselves up and around the European spots. Even the fucking mackems are five points ahead of us.

 

 

 

Every game looks tough currently as well, given how poor we are going forward.

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