Ellis H Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Currently 6 points off 4th after 8 games. Now really isn’t the time to be throwing in the towel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Excluding City at home, we have a lovely run of games from now until we play Liverpool on Jan 31st. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Think top 4 is beyond us but still not top 5. Today didn't change a lot. Big three games coming up. 3 wins from next 3 and we're on exact same track as last season. 5+ points and I'll still have some hope (though should be looking at more than 5) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 We've CL games and a big cup tie against Spurs in and around these league games. It definitely wont be easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 We're all just waiting for the Howe click really. In the grand scheme of things our position is fine. Weirdly I was more worried last season when we were on 12 points at this stage because the football was worse than this despite the results, then we had a run of playing well but not getting the results. Results match our performances for the most part at the moment I think, but I'm confident that when it finally clicks we'll go on another run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 16 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: We're a point ahead of 22/23 btw. It's not the points which are the main concern for me. Like I said, I just don't see the forward line clicking, and I said this before the game as well. I don't even know how Woltemade has got 4 goals, he seems to score with basically the only chance he gets. He's not the problem though, the wide forwards are not running off him at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Said in Brighton tread, top 4 will be same as last season. All same managers, all strengthened their sides and at worse will remain same level. 5th is anyone’s, and unless we sort our shit out quick, we’ll fumble that. Bournemouth and Palace look very capable of being this seasons Forest / Brighton, so top 7 will be a slog. Isak money could be going towards a write off season and having no Europe next season and coping with the rise in wages from new deals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Need to start doing better away. West Ham and Brentford should be 6 points away, but how we are playing away, we’ll be lucky to get 2 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TRon said: It's not the points which are the main concern for me. Like I said, I just don't see the forward line clicking, and I said this before the game as well. I don't even know how Woltemade has got 4 goals, he seems to score with basically the only chance he gets. He's not the problem though, the wide forwards are not running off him at all. More concerned than when Harvey Barnes was bailing us out this time last year? Howe will light a fire under them like after Brentford away imo. Today I think it's on Howe tbh, but the forward line need to do better. Weirdly I think both Woltemade and Murphy are doing their jobs properly but are letting each other down a bit. Murphy's putting in great balls Woltemade should be getting on, Woltemade's scoring and doing excellent hold up play Murphy should be running off. There's a lot of everyone coming short. Edited October 18, 2025 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Biggest issue this season is that the competition is a lot stronger. I'm not sure we'll have anywhere near the leeway that we had with our inconsistency in previous seasons. If we can't figure out a way to become a goal threat we'll struggle for top 7, you can't rely on clean sheets to carry you at this level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Why is the Brentford game last season the hope we improve after today? Last season, we were hooking up good games, then poor, before playing two proper shit teams where we racked up the goals. This season, we’ve not been good once, bar Liverpool second half, when we had a chip on our shoulder and a nothing to lose mentality after going 2-0 down. Based on so far, people are sticking their fingers in their ears if they think they next 3 will suddenly be three wins on bounce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 13 minutes ago, Andy said: Biggest issue this season is that the competition is a lot stronger. I'm not sure we'll have anywhere near the leeway that we had with our inconsistency in previous seasons. If we can't figure out a way to become a goal threat we'll struggle for top 7, you can't rely on clean sheets to carry you at this level. Meh, the points tally for 4th will be circa 70 points as per. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 No chance the way things are. Only teams we've managed to beat have been the 2 cannon fodder teams, and tbf Wolves would have beaten us if they'd had a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Meh, the points tally for 4th will be circa 70 points as per. Second sentence is the main point though. We aren't getting close to 70 points if we continue to average less than a goal a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarie4 Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 1 hour ago, TRon said: I just don't see the goals in this side until Wissa is back to offer us something different. By that time we could be well off the top 5. The goals will come, we're making chances. We just on a dry spell and the team is adjusting to Nick. Top 5 is 65 points minimum. We will be there about I'm sure. 60 points is the least Howe has had in a full season for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 37 minutes ago, tarie4 said: The goals will come, we're making chances. We just on a dry spell and the team is adjusting to Nick. Top 5 is 65 points minimum. We will be there about I'm sure. 60 points is the least Howe has had in a full season for us. The football is poor IMO. It feels like the only time we are dangerous is when we are throwing players forward in desperation, and then we are just as likely to get caught on the break when it breaks down. Our most fluent performance was against Bradford by a country mile, but that's like Anthony Gordon tearing up shit teams when he's playing for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 The drop won't be like Spurs or Man Utd's, but can see it being a midtable season. It all seems a bit bland and stale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 2 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said: The drop won't be like Spurs or Man Utd's, but can see it being a midtable season. It all seems a bit bland and stale. It doesn't take much to get into the top 8 really just some good runs in the team. At some point the league cup and Champions League will stop too and we can focus on the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 18, 2025 Share Posted October 18, 2025 Not that it works like this, but I'm bored, so I thought I'd see how we did in these fixtures in our previous three seasons, plus how we started. 22/23: 4th Points from the same fixtures - 9 Points from first eight - 11 23/24: 7th Points from the same fixtures - 9 Points from the first eight - 13 24/25: 5th Points from the same fixtures - 15 Points from the first eight - 12 So we're not a mile off our usual kind of results. Running to the end of January, we have... Fulham (H), West Ham (a), Brentford (a), City (H), Everton (a), Spurs (H), Burnley (H), Sunderland (a), Chelsea (H), Man United (a), Burnley (a), Palace (H), Leeds (H), Wolves (a), Villa (H). So even with European commitments, I'd expect us to be putting a run or two together over this period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 19, 2025 Share Posted October 19, 2025 (edited) So we are -6 in the Uncle Jeff (same fixtures as last season) Let's say it's the same top 4, and we're looking at our likely rivals for 5th: Villa are -5 (having finished on same points as us last season) Tottenham are +4 (having finished 28 points behind us last season) Man U are -1 (updated after ManU match) (having finished 24 points behind us last season) Can't discount likes of Bournemouth, but those clubs don't seem to last the distance. We need to improve and we're not looking good to push on to a higher level, but we' can def still realistically put together a top 5 campaign. Edited October 21, 2025 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 20, 2025 Share Posted October 20, 2025 (edited) Drop 200M in the winter Window... Job Done!! Edited October 20, 2025 by buzza Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 25, 2025 Share Posted October 25, 2025 (edited) On 19/10/2025 at 17:22, Superior Acuña said: So we are -6 in the Uncle Jeff (same fixtures as last season) Let's say it's the same top 4, and we're looking at our likely rivals for 5th: Villa are -5 (having finished on same points as us last season) Tottenham are +4 (having finished 28 points behind us last season) Man U are -1 (updated after ManU match) (having finished 24 points behind us last season) Can't discount likes of Bournemouth, but those clubs don't seem to last the distance. We need to improve and we're not looking good to push on to a higher level, but we' can def still realistically put together a top 5 campaign. Us and rivals for 4/5th Uncle Jeff coefficients - After us gaining 3 v Fulham Us -3 Villa -5 (same points as us last season) Tottenham +7 (28 points behind us last season) ManU +2 (24 points behind us last season) Chelsea -4 (3 points ahead of us last season) edit: updated after Sunday games Edited October 26, 2025 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarie4 Posted October 25, 2025 Share Posted October 25, 2025 6 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said: Us and rivals for 4/5th Uncle Jeff coefficients - After us gaining 3 v Fulham Us -3 Villa -5* (same points as us last season) Tottenham +4* (28 points behind us last season) ManU +2 (24 points behind us last season) Chelsea -4 (3 points ahead of us last season) *still to play this weekend. Win our next two games and we about par. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted October 26, 2025 Share Posted October 26, 2025 (edited) Here's a chart which tracks where we should pick up points based on difficulty of opposition and whether home or away. The formula used (which ranks teams into 4 tiers based mainly upon where they finished last year) has been pretty accurate last three seasons. In short, even though we're sitting 11th we're basically not far away from being on track for 6th (2 points below). Which I think most of us would take given extra CL burden. Speaking of which, we're about three points below where we should be for a fifth place finish (not shown on chart). Edited October 26, 2025 by Coffee_Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted October 26, 2025 Share Posted October 26, 2025 A respectable top 7 finish and qualifying for the CL by winning it anyway. Easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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