Sheffield Wednesday 2-1 Newcastle United (07/01/2023)

[Paullow]

52 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

Might have counted this wrong but only 11 PL teams will be in the 4th Round. Frustrating 

It'll be a maximum of 12. 5 all PL ties in R3, as well as Newcastle, Bournemouth and Forest crashing out to lower league sides. Could be one or two more going out over the next couple of days. Leeds possibly the most vulnerable. 

[maze]

This match underlined the complete dross we have on the bench. 
Dubs, Manquillo, Lewis, Rithie, Murphy…List is obviously longer. But thats 5 that needs to move on. Problem is there’s no one willing to take them. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by maze

[samptime29]

1 minute ago, maze said:

This match underlined the complete dross we have on the bench. 
Dubs, Manquillo, Lewis, Rithie, Murphy…List is obviously longer. But thats 5 that needs to move on. Problem is there’s no one willing to take them. 

 

 

 

 

Dubs and Manquillo are clearly not "complete dross" ? 

[Aiston]

2 minutes ago, maze said:

This match underlined the complete dross we have on the bench. 
Dubs, Manquillo, Lewis, Rithie, Murphy…List is obviously longer. But thats 5 that needs to move on. Problem is there’s no one willing to take them. 

 

 

 

 

The amount of hatred for Dubravka now, because he dared to go on loan to Man Utd is a joke.

 

He kept us in the PL numerous times ffs and didn't really put a foot wrong last night, he's still a quality keeper.

 

[King HTT III]

I’m over it now, let’s hope it’s a blessing in disguise…

[NUFCDoog]

As long as we win Tuesday then this result is disappointing but ok.

 

Lose and its a disaster

[maze]

6 minutes ago, samptime29 said:

 

Dubs and Manquillo are clearly not "complete dross" ? 

Let’s agree to disagree on the latter. Hope Krafth is back soon enough. 

5 minutes ago, Aiston said:

 

The amount of hatred for Dubravka now, because he dared to go on loan to Man Utd is a joke.

 

He kept us in the PL numerous times ffs and didn't really put a foot wrong last night, he's still a quality keeper.

 

please explain where I wrote «I hate him because he went to Manure»?

He WAS a very good keeper. But he has declined and can’t compare to Pope. 

[Gawalls]

8 minutes ago, maze said:

Let’s agree to disagree on the latter. Hope Krafth is back soon enough. 

please explain where I wrote «I hate him because he went to Manure»?

He WAS a very good keeper. But he has declined and can’t compare to Pope. 

Agree on this unfortunately as I’d love to be wrong but yesterday of starting manquillo, lascelles and dubs and conceding 2 goals was very retro of how we used to play week in week out.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We know most of our squad players are awful, even some of our first team are a bit dodgy.

 

You could easily argue that Sheffield had two strikers yesterday that are both better than Chris Wood. 
 

They way I see it is that out past cup ‘humiliations’ happened to a different club entirely. Those happened to a neglected club who didn’t care about winning anything. This one happened to a club on the up who just had their limited resources stretched too far by the amount of games we’re playing. 
 

Soon enough people like Lascelles, Murphy, Wood, Lewis and Anderson will be a distant memory. 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Gawalls]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We know most of our squad players are awful, even some of our first team are a bit dodgy.

 

You could easily argue that Sheffield had two strikers yesterday that are both better than Chris Wood. 
 

They way I see it is that out past cup ‘humiliations’ happened to a different club entirely. Those happened to a neglected club who didn’t care about winning anything. This one happened to a club on the up who just had their limited resources stretched too far by the amount of games we’re playing. 
 

Soon enough people like Lascelles, Murphy, Wood, Lewis and Anderson will be a distant memory. 

 

 

 

The day this happens just remind me of it on the inside of a birthday card.

[Yorkie]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Soon enough people like Lascelles, Murphy, Wood, Lewis and Anderson will be a distant memory. 

 

Anderson was one of the biggest disappointments of the night, like. I've seen him start twice this season now and he was really, really poor both times. It's a desperate shame that we can't afford to ship him out somewhere on loan because, while there are obvious benefits to keeping him around, it's clear as day that he needs game time. 

 

Lascelles was a bit of a joke tbh. I do believe other players in interviews when they say he still has a big (and positive) influence at the club, but he is certainly no longer fit for purpose on the pitch. Absolutely dismal performance and seemingly an unrectifiable casualty of the Bruce era. Huge shame because he was knocking on the England door around 2018. 

[OverThere]

Anderson needs game time. Does he appear for the u-23s? If not out on loan before it's too late.

[Rafalove]

I really don’t want to lump Anderson in that category. He has played well this season at times and looked unbelievable in pre season. Yesterday he was poor, but Eddie believes in him, so I don’t think, we should just write him off.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I wouldn’t write him off, but I don’t expect him to make it. A good loan would be interesting.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2023 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Nucasol]

Zero point him being here for 5-10 min cameos. Give him an extensive run in a Birmingham, QPR, Boro or Luton side just on the cusp of the playoffs and see how he gets on. If the club is successful he could even do a season long PL loan.

[Lotus]

Lot of hyperbolic reaction here. 
We were a tad unlucky on the night. One of their goals was offside, we had at least 2 point blank shots that were too close to the keeper. It happens. 
We had some very good passages of play and some that were below the standard we’ve set for ourselves. 
Losses like these can be meaningful if used as a motivator in the right way.

Well done Sheffield Wednesday and good luck with the rest of their season.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I’ve said the same, we did alright and could easily have won.
 

But just saying we have a lot of bad players who clearly have no future with us. 

[Neil]

Don't think you played particularly terribly, certainly not one where I think you can say the attitude was particularly por. It just demonstrates, as everyone presumably knew already, your second string are not good enough, as is the case with most second strings.

Another day you go through 3-1 easily. Just one of those things, I wouldn't put it down as a shocker or anything.

[STM]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

Don't think you played particularly terribly, certainly not one where I think you can say the attitude was particularly por. It just demonstrates, as everyone presumably knew already, your second string are not good enough, as is the case with most second strings.

Another day you go through 3-1 easily. Just one of those things, I wouldn't put it down as a shocker or anything.

 

Neil man, is nobody allowed to completely overreact anymore? 

[Jonas]

We physically (metaphysically and metaphorically) couldn't play our best XI and give both games our best shot.

That theoretically means ASM, Wilson and Isak play yesterday which would mean there's no way any of them play the full game against Leicester.

Might be too simplistic but I just cant see past it.

The greatest manager of all time started the rotation thing off.

[midds]

The team Howe picked should have been more than adequate enough to avoid defeat as a minimum last night. Howe's got every right to expect some of the fringe PL players to come in and perform to a level that at least matches L1 opposition. The fact is that a few of these players were utterly dreadful and they let Howe and the club down, the selection was fine, the performance was not and I'm shifting all of the blame for last night onto the 3 or 4 who stunk Hillsborough out.

[Neil]

16 minutes ago, hakka said:

Was pretty fuming with the result yesterday, but you have to give Sheffield Wednesday credit. They worked their asses off, and they hustled all our players very well to put them off. The biggest let down for me was seeing Chris Wood again being absolutely useless. Windass made him look like a non-league player. I'd expect Garang Kuol to get that on target or even score.

Not that I'm excusing going out to a L1 side, but you have to factor in the unquantifiable element of the underdogs always raising their levels in these situations. It happens so often, so to all intents and purposes it felt like you were more playing a high flying Champ side.

I mean some of your lot were still fucking dreadful like.  but just helps to expediate their exits, you'd hope.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Our side was championship and theirs was upper league one, not really as much between them as we think

[LFEE]

Dust settling and feels like we are now at the main crossroads of the season. Like some have said win on Tuesday and this one is easier to forgive. Lose on Tuesday and a lot of those wanting a weakened team for the FAC might realise what a disappointment it is to go out of the FAC 3rd round with no European games. Yes it allows us focus on the league but with that comes increased pressure on each of them games which can be counterproductive.

 

As for the squad at the halfway point of the season it clearly needs a midfielder to come in and start most games (rotating/replacing Longstaff) and a forward comfortable for all three positions.

 

As for the actual selection and performance there’s an argument you play Dubs as seen as better than Darlow and he asked to return against Darlow who stayed faithful and remained throughout but not as competent. Manquillo never lets anyone down but is a different type of RB to Trippier with the latter like to have the game in front of him whereas the former more one for overlapping. Lewis has never stood out since he came but hopefully this long term hip problem is behind him but his chances will be limited now that we are out the FAC. Did ok but other than his mobility looking better he’s still lacking in confidence to take the game by the scruff of its neck with his usual advance 15 yards then pass backwards 10 yards. Would’ve liked to of seen him operate in a less changed side to judge him properly now fit rather than a team playing almost like strangers due to the eight changes. Lascelles looked nervy and it’s noticeable how less assured the back four is with him in it. Should’ve been his type of game also as Sheffield Wednesday played an almost old school two up top which was nice to see in these modern times and shows it still has a place with even Botman tested differently to what he’s been accustomed to. Ritchie was Ritchie. You know what you are going to get and what you aren’t. Would’ve been fine again against this opposition in a team with less changes. Anderson struggled again and apart from one of our very early home games this season (Forest perhaps?) and at a push against ten man Fulham away he’s looked average at best and doesn’t physically look like he has the attributes to make it in his current position. Nice to see Isak start as predicted and only hope he’s as good as people keep telling me. Should’ve scored at least once which changes the whole tie (and possibly season) but again was in an changed forward line.

 

So a game that ultimately has left many questions left unanswered which is as big a frustration as the result itself. Personally feel EH should’ve started strong and won the game making the changes the other way round. Had a bad feeling about the tie since it was drawn and selected for prime time terrestrial TV. Playing the only team with a longer unbeaten record than ours on their pitch was never going to be easy. My hunch got worse weirdly when Sunderland turned their tie round with two stoppage time goals almost at the same time as it was confirmed ASM wasn’t in the squad which was a massive miss for a game like this.

 

Fair play to Sheffield Wednesday scoring two nice goals and could’ve had two or three more but it showed with the triple change once we got a grip of the midfield the game with a different team selection could’ve been a completely different story which is the disappointment I’ll feel as the draw is made for next round.

 

So in short squad depth is sufficient for THIS season but only with minimum changes but (two first team accusations would be great). Eight was too many and arguably regardless of the squad quality too many with any group for a high profile cup tie away from home.

[Skeletor]

9 minutes ago, Neil said:

Not that I'm excusing going out to a L1 side, but you have to factor in the unquantifiable element of the underdogs always raising their levels in these situations. It happens so often, so to all intents and purposes it felt like you were more playing a high flying Champ side.

I mean some of your lot were still fucking dreadful like.  but just helps to expediate their exits, you'd hope.

 

I think the Wood miss was the thing that made some of us snap. One thing if he had got that chance on target but it was saved, another to do what he did and sky it out of the stadium.