Yankuba Minteh (now playing for Brighton & Hove Albion)

[gdm]

4 hours ago, arnonel said:

Dutch league has produced world class players. Wish we would stop being so condescending

[kingxlnc]

1 hour ago, Solitude20 said:

You do have a good point, but the thing is we are going to get an expensive RW whether he stays or not, and we should be getting one who’s young enough to stay with us for a few years at least. That means Minteh won’t have a leading role in our team even if he does well (unless the new RW flops, and I really hope that won’t be the case). Then, if Minteh turns out to be a great player for PL, he would most likely be a backup for our new RW, in that case it would be better to get this 40m transfer fee than have him warm our bench, especially for our current financial situation. If he turns out to be not suitable for PL, then we should get that 40m and run. 
 

I mean imagine if we get a player on the level of Olise, what role would Minteh play for us in the next 3 years? If this 40m story is true, it would be better to get that cash to strengthen our positions elsewhere. 
 

I really like the player and his style, and I wish he becomes our Mane, but unfortunately the PSR rules and our current standing might force us to think differently. 

 

 

 

I feel like Eddie wants 3 good options for each position with clear hierarchy, first team, young gem, experienced backup 

 

Pope, Trafford, Gillespie

Trippier, Livramento, Krafth

Schar, new RCB, Lascelles

Botman, Kelly, Burn

Kelly, Hall, Targett

 

Bruno, Miley, 

Joelinton, Willock

Tonali, Longstaff

 

New RW, Minteh, Murphy

Gordon, Barnes, Anderson

 

Isak, new young backup, Wilson

 

Not included Almiron or Dubravka as think they’re out. 
 

Not a bad make up of squad, if the vacancies are filled with some stardust 

[gbandit]

Luis Suarez the best non-Dutch player to ever come direct from the Dutch league to the premier league?

[The Prophet]

4 hours ago, arnonel said:

Dutch league has produced world class players. Wish we would stop being so condescending

 

True, but is it not fair to say the ratio of duds to success stories is relatively high due to the general quality of the league?

[Menace]

5 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Luis Suarez the best non-Dutch player to ever come direct from the Dutch league to the premier league?

 

Him or Virgil, RVN and RVP weren't half bad either. Same with Van der Sar.

[morpeth mag]

7 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Luis Suarez the best non-Dutch player to ever come direct from the Dutch league to the premier league?

Followed by Ray Clarke

[gdm]

2 minutes ago, Menace said:

 

Him or Virgil, RVN and RVP weren't half bad either. Same with Van der Sar.

They are all Dutch 

[GideonShandy]

38 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Minging, considering his cause of death. 

 

Yeah, never thought of that.

[SteV]

1 hour ago, dcmk said:

Howe confirmed after the Dortmund game that we were interested in Nmecha.

https://youtu.be/Bv4PqwEB26k?si=Cpo5a4na3M4vdzix

[The Prophet]

Edwards, like all the North East journos these days report what they're breifed. Unless it serves a purpose, it'll rarely come from the club.

[Pata]

On 08/06/2024 at 19:01, Beth said:

The problem is he plays in the postion that is most affected by age, wingers rely on pace and stamina and that's the first thing to drop off. That's why the likes of Giggs and Ronaldo became more central as they got older.

 

Stamina is the last thing athletes lose due to age. Ronaldo became more central when he was 22-23. Beth never fails.

[Pata]

On 09/06/2024 at 01:38, TheBrownBottle said:

Yep.  And the Eredivisie is weaker now than it was then. 

 

Luuk de Jong scored 29 goals and had 15 assists last season in the Eredivisie.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, BonesJones said:

The two seasons he played in Holland, the Eredivisie could boast the European Cup winners and the European Cup runners-up.

 

Completely different world. 

[madras]

1 hour ago, morpeth mag said:

Followed by Ray Clarke

I've just checked you know and both Ray Clarke and Rob McDonald had nearly a goal every other game if not better when playing in The Netherlands.

[80]

So we've established that the top performers in the Dutch league can be either excellent players or shit players outside of Holland. Pig in a poke country, then.

 

Just have to make sure we don't overspend on this one, and he'll be worth a gamble in that case. Oh wait, we already have him.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, 80 said:

So we've established that the top performers in the Dutch league can be either excellent players or shit players outside of Holland. Pig in a poke country, then.

 

Just have to make sure we don't overspend on this one, and he'll be worth a gamble in that case. Oh wait, we already have him.

Tbf the lad could end up being class, or he might end up being ok, or he might end up doing nothing.

 

But I wouldn’t rely on statistics from the Dutch league as a perfect benchmark for future performance in England, which some have implied.  Him being in the top 1 percentile on a variety of stats is a positive, but that doesn’t mean that it follows that he’ll be a star in a tougher league.  

[Zero]

How much does Diaz cost from the Portugal League then?

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

How much does Diaz cost from the Portugal League then?

Aye, fair enough.  £100m for Minteh it is  

[BonesJones]

10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The two seasons he played in Holland, the Eredivisie could boast the European Cup winners and the European Cup runners-up.

 

Completely different world. 

 

My opinion is that if PSG won the CL and came runners up the following season, I wouldn't suddenly regard the rest of the teams in the french league as being top quality.

 

Ajax were quite a bit ahead of their competition at that time. Ronaldo put 30 in for PSV and they weren't even close.

[Unbelievable]

17 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

It's not like he's alone, there's a long list of players who have looked world beaters in the Dutch league and gone on to do nothing.

 

Hopefully Minteh will be an exception to that (if we keep him) but statistics from the Dutch league have to be taken in the context of how weak most of the league is.

I’d be interested to hear who’s on this long list.

 

Also, show me a league, foreign or lower, that doesn’t have its fair share of failures. Sometimes good players adapt badly to new surroundings, it happens.

[Unbelievable]

12 hours ago, Pata said:

 

Luuk de Jong scored 29 goals and had 15 assists last season in the Eredivisie.

Luuk de Jong also scored 3 in 7 CL games, 8 in 11 if you include CL qualifiers. He also scored twice for Sevilla in a won Europa league final vs Inter, and played for Barcelona and the Dutch national team. Could it be he’s not entirely shit and NUFC completely mismanaged him, as we did to so many players at the time..?

[Nucasol]

2 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

Luuk de Jong also scored 3 in 7 CL games, 8 in 11 if you include CL qualifiers. He also scored twice for Sevilla in a won Europa league final vs Inter, and played for Barcelona and the Dutch national team. Could it be he’s not entirely shit and NUFC completely mismanaged him, as we did to so many players at the time..?

This generation’s Jon Dahl Tomasson.

[Deuce]

Needs to be back out on loan next season, preferably at a higher-quality league. 

 

 

Edited June 11, 2024 by Deuce

[Andy]

2 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

Luuk de Jong also scored 3 in 7 CL games, 8 in 11 if you include CL qualifiers. He also scored twice for Sevilla in a won Europa league final vs Inter, and played for Barcelona and the Dutch national team. Could it be he’s not entirely shit and NUFC completely mismanaged him, as we did to so many players at the time..?

 

Possibly an element of that, but De Jong has 178 goals in 306 Eredivisie games, and only 22 goals in 138 games in the three other domestic leagues he's played in. 

 

Bloke had one of the most tame shots I've ever seen when he was here and clearly wasn't cut out for the PL. 

[Upthemags]

2 hours ago, Unbelievable said:

Luuk de Jong also scored 3 in 7 CL games, 8 in 11 if you include CL qualifiers. He also scored twice for Sevilla in a won Europa league final vs Inter, and played for Barcelona and the Dutch national team. Could it be he’s not entirely shit and NUFC completely mismanaged him, as we did to so many players at the time..?

I think people also just have a hard time admitting players have renaissances - up years and down years. Just how football goes. Barca was a very small sample size for de Jong but he was still extremely efficient with his output there. Very (very) obviously would have had a very successful career in the prem.

 

But anyway, to point to de Jong like that somehow impeaches the quality of dutch league is just, silly? No one is saying its Serie A levels. Fact is a 19 year old dominated a European top flight of grown ass men with 99th percentile output across a range of relevant metrics. You don't have to like that fact (not sure why you wouldn't), but it happened.