Elliottman Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 The young lad looks like he’s had a few sleepless nights based on the photo of him rocking up at the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, The Butcher said: Really good from Merson there I thought, spoke from the heart and agree with most things he said there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Class seeing the reception he got warming up, will do wonders regardless of what's coming ban wise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, M1tche said: Class seeing the reception he got warming up, will do wonders regardless of what's coming ban wise Yep, obviously this isn't a good thing and I'd rather it wasn't happening, but the support he's getting and will get through this is going to help him fall in love with the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1715742591029788804?s=20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, LiquidAK said: Yep, obviously this isn't a good thing and I'd rather it wasn't happening, but the support he's getting and will get through this is going to help him fall in love with the club Agreed, much prefer it wasn't happening and its frustrating to lose a player for what could be a very long time for it, but he's our player and we have to stick with him through it. Now he knows we will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said: Translates as 'Nothing more beautiful than being reunited with your family' As mentioned above Tonali would have been 10 years old if it is true Balotelli was playing for City in 2011. a couple do things don’t ring true with this. but in Futbol Italiano we must trust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said: https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1715742591029788804?s=20 To be fair to the Toney responses. Tonali has at least shown remorse. Hasn't Toney almost done the opposite and doubled down angry at the FA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 So nice to hear this reception for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 36 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. That’s just massively ignorant and cuntish, not harsh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 45 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. Addiction is an illness that's why there's medication for so many addictions, and also other forms of treatment for others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: That’s just massively ignorant and cuntish, not harsh When you’ve dealt with addiction in your family and seen the kind of personalities that will hide behind ‘disease’ you’d probably have a different opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. I’m not being cuntish mate, I’ve just seen it first hand and I don’t agree that it’s a disease Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, M1tche said: Addiction is an illness that's why there's medication for so many addictions, and also other forms of treatment for others. Are there drugs for addiction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Hope he enjoyed his reception, will give him something positive to think about while he’s twiddling his thumbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. You’re forgiven for this shite post, purely on the fact that you’re clearly not educated on this subject and have no experience of it. I’m happy for you that it will never happen to you anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: When you’ve dealt with addiction in your family and seen the kind of personalities that will hide behind ‘disease’ you’d probably have a different opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. I’m not being cuntish mate, I’ve just seen it first hand and I don’t agree that it’s a disease So most medical associations just have an opinion on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. this is an unintentionally perfect capture of mental health stigma Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 https://twitter.com/paullynufc79/status/1715763883095253061?s=46&t=FsEm6VC2ijNnTjHjyXU7DA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jagten said: this is an unintentionally perfect capture of mental health stigma What the fuck are you talking about?! I’m not stigmatising anything. Read my original post - I have sympathy for people with addiction. We have experienced it in my family and I have had friends who have battled problems. But I don’t agree with the labelling of it. There’s no criticism of people with addiction at all. It’s literally just the labelling of it I don’t agree with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. Saying "Addiction is just due to a lack of will power" is just bullshit, it can take over your life in many different way, control you and dictate how you live and what you do. Whatever it may be, alcohol, drugs or gambling, they all produce a shot of dopamine that makes you want to go back to it time and again, and even if you know you have a problem, it makes it hard to get away from whatever that suspense may be, and as you get more and more addicted it becomes harder and harder to get away from, to the point that your body depends on it, and if you stop taking it withdrawal starts. But its not just the physical aspect that makes it hard, its the fact that most addicts are in social groups that taking or doing a certain things is expected, and its hard to break from, especially if you're in a deprived area, or people may be ashamed that they have a problem so hide their problem and don't reach out to others, and their problem gets darker because of that. As an example, try not taking coffee for a few days, its really god damn hard, you get headaches and fatigue really fast, and you very quickly put the kettle on to get the symptoms to go away. I'm not sure if any of this makes sense, but to say addiction isn't an illness, is just ignorance in the extreme. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: I just don’t agree it’s an Illness. I don’t agree that any addiction is. You have no choice if you get cancer and you absolutely cannot get rid of it through willpower and lifestyle changes. Same with pretty much every other genuine illness. The mere fact that you can stop being addicted to something if you make enough changes makes it not an illness. A character trait maybe, a weakness definitely but calling these things a disease just feels like an excuse. “It’s not my fault I lost the house through gambling, it’s an illness”. It kind of absolves them of responsibility for their actions. Maybe that’s harsh but I just can’t get on board with it. I have sympathy for them and I’m not suggesting it’s an easy thing to reverse but I just hate the rhetoric around it. Check out the difference between a disease and an illness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Good that he got to play today considring how long he might be banned for, hope he uses his time off to try and improve in all aspects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Check out the difference between a disease and an illness. Check out gambling disorder. This is a label for addiction that is starting to grow in popularity and I think it’s more appropriate. Fuck me, anyone would think I said all addicts should be shot. I’m happy to take any criticism on the chin for what seems to be an unpopular and controversial opinion but you guys need to calm down a bit. I’m not the only person on the planet who doesn’t agree that addictions are an illness/disease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, 54 said: Saying "Addiction is just due to a lack of will power" is just bullshit, it can take over your life in many different way, control you and dictate how you live and what you do. Whatever it may be, alcohol, drugs or gambling, they all produce a shot of dopamine that makes you want to go back to it time and again, and even if you know you have a problem, it makes it hard to get away from whatever that suspense may be, and as you get more and more addicted it becomes harder and harder to get away from, to the point that your body depends on it, and if you stop taking it withdrawal starts. But its not just the physical aspect that makes it hard, its the fact that most addicts are in social groups that taking or doing a certain things is expected, and its hard to break from, especially if you're in a deprived area, or people may be ashamed that they have a problem so hide their problem and don't reach out to others, and their problem gets darker because of that. As an example, try not taking coffee for a few days, its really god damn hard, you get headaches and fatigue really fast, and you very quickly put the kettle on to get the symptoms to go away. I'm not sure if any of this makes sense, but to say addiction isn't an illness, is just ignorance in the extreme. I’m well aware of the impact addiction can have on families, first hand. I have literally lived it. So yeah, it all makes sense and it definitely doesn’t change my opinion. If anything it strengthens it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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