BonesJones Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, arnonel said: Same Think we get 2 more in for first team How much more do you think we spend? So far I think we're ~£130m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, McCormick said: Thought he was 2 years older! Suppose that’s not too bad but it’s slightly over what we usually go for. 4 and a half years younger than Schar, a great age for the here and now and gives us time to find or develop a younger CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 54 minutes ago, McCormick said: Andersen is such a good player and a better version of Schar (as harsh as that sounds) but paying anything north of 30 for him would be a waste, considering his age. Ideally we’d be getting someone with the same passing ability but younger and more pacey/ athletic; not sure who tbh, but anyone with that kind of profile wouldn’t come cheap. Normally I wouldn't want to go anywhere near a CD who isn't rapid, but Andersen reads the game so well that I can understand why we are keen on him. Looks a real winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Andersen’s passing range is elite, he’s also a brilliant defender. I’d be delighted with the signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, Rich said: He always started games in central midfield, though, which is what I think people might be getting mixed up by. Arguing two different things. He typically ended with a higher average position than Joelinton and on the occasions when we went 4-2-3-1 with them both in the team, it was Willock rather than Joelinton who played on the wing, with Big Jow moving back into the midfield two. Honestly think Willock could play in any attacking midfield position, including on either wing, with good success. He's such a natural footballer and a great athlete, plus he still has plenty of time on his side, too. Fair! I just want to see if that outside of the boot cross to isak against spurs was a fluke or if he can do that more often! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, McCormick said: Thought he was 2 years older! Suppose that’s not too bad but it’s slightly over what we usually go for. I think that’s why on this one the price is more of a sticking point than our other deals. The PIF sign off I’m guessing for a deal of £40+m will be 25yrs old and under I’m thinking. Any older and we are looking at a fee maximum less than £30m. Especially when not a clear certain starter. See how it develops but it’s clear RCB is our main target now and if the opportunity rises a LB though I think A.Murphy’s performances has give them food for thought in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, BonesJones said: How much more do you think we spend? So far I think we're ~£130m. It’s closer to £89m spent ? Net minteh £6m tonali £52m barnes £39m livramento £31m Out maxi £23m wood £15m shelvey £1 darlow £500k maybe a new RCB £35m/£40m total spend £125/130m I’ve left off add ons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 35 minutes ago, Rich said: He always started games in central midfield, though, which is what I think people might be getting mixed up by. Arguing two different things. He typically ended with a higher average position than Joelinton and on the occasions when we went 4-2-3-1 with them both in the team, it was Willock rather than Joelinton who played on the wing, with Big Jow moving back into the midfield two. Honestly think Willock could play in any attacking midfield position, including on either wing, with good success. He's such a natural footballer and a great athlete, plus he still has plenty of time on his side, too. Exactly, they seem to push him forward and usually left but he seems to be essentially LM more or less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: It’s closer to £89m spent ? Net minteh £6m tonali £52m barnes £39m livramento £31m Out maxi £23m wood £15m shelvey £1 darlow £500k maybe a new RCB £35m/£40m total spend £125/130m I’ve left off add ons Yeh I was just quickly adding up what we've spent on incomings to get to that figure. Think you're correct with just the one more signing. With some funds held back for another window and not let us get close to our feckin FFP limit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: It’s closer to £89m spent ? Net minteh £6m tonali £52m barnes £39m livramento £31m Out maxi £23m wood £15m shelvey £1 darlow £500k maybe a new RCB £35m/£40m total spend £125/130m I’ve left off add ons Not sure if it's traditional to include them and if they only count towards FFP when triggered. That would make perfect sense as they may never get triggered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Matt1892 said: I’m not sure why people are down on Chalobah, if he was in Ligue 1 playing for someone like Rennes last season he would have been like prime Costacurta. He didn’t look great against us when they beat us with that late Havertz winner. Murphy give him a bit of a runaround iirc and could’ve conceded one penalty if not two. Probably that game that’s sticking in people’s heads ?♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Prophet said: Everyone's favourite reporter, but a rumour is a rumour. There must be some young French kid we could get for less money that can actually run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Oh great, we're back to the whole net spend bollocks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Down on Chalobah (and Anderson) because coming from a PL club we’ll pay a premium. The main benefit of a PL transfer is knowing they can succeed in the league. You don’t get that with Chalobah - at least not in a back 4. Anderson does give you that though. Chalobah is not considered an elite or near elite potential talent. He’s 5th choice for a good reason. We should be signing Colwil level wonderkids. Same thing with Anderson. He’s a good PL player but nothing more. Schar is a good PL player. I don’t think either have the potential to be a significant upgrade on him. And definitely not for £25m-£40m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: Andersen’s passing range is elite, he’s also a brilliant defender. I’d be delighted with the signing. Passing is great. Defending is good but is it elite? I follow Palace and always thought he was a good player and a shrewd signing. But never thought he would be a £40m defender for a top 6 side. He looks slow in Palace usual mid to low block and will be susceptible for us to the Same pace in behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Willock starts at LCM but ends up in LW positions a lot. Howe does not start him at LW in a 433. I don’t think Howe considers him a winger so I won’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Passing is great. Defending is good but is it elite? I follow Palace and always thought he was a good player and a shrewd signing. But never thought he would be a £40m defender for a top 6 side. He looks slow in Palace usual mid to low block and will be susceptible for us to the Same pace in behind. Aye I wouldn’t say his defending is elite but he is a very good defender imo. He’s basically a like for like for Schar (I rate Andersen a bit higher tbh). If we aren’t going down the route of adding pace then I think Andersen is the ideal signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: Willock starts at LCM but ends up in LW positions a lot. Howe does not start him at LW in a 433. I don’t think Howe considers him a winger so I won’t. I dont think he considered Joe a winger either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 That’s why we need to look for an alternative in style. Anderson is a solid PL player, but he doesn’t get in the team ahead of Schar for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Rich said: Is 27 old for a centre-back these days? No but it’s peak value. Sell him 2 years later, likely lose some money. And we always banging on about FFP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: I dont think he considered Joe a winger either. I think he does in his 433. At least that’s where he puts him on the team sheet and expects him to start when we are in possession deep. That’s how he scores those goals from the Schar diagonal. He’s in a LW position. Willock doesn’t make those runs because he’s not in position. Once we have settled possession sure Willock runs up there and stays there. He’s a little cuter with his dribbling than Joe in tight spaces can wriggle past a defender. Because of his physicality I think Howe considers Joelinton a better option in 2 man midfield pivot as he’s more of a defensive presence. But when they both start JoeW is the nominal LCM and Joelinton nominal LW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I think he does in his 433. At least that’s where he puts him on the team sheet and expects him to start when we are in possession deep. That’s how he scores those goals from the Schar diagonal. He’s in a LW position. Willock doesn’t make those runs because he’s not in position. Once we have settled possession sure Willock runs up there and stays there. He’s a little cuter with his dribbling than Joe in tight spaces can wriggle past a defender. Because of his physicality I think Howe considers Joelinton a better option in 2 man midfield pivot as he’s more of a defensive presence. But when they both start JoeW is the nominal LCM and Joelinton nominal LW. He maybe did when we had Maxi playing but when he wasn't and he and Joe held down the left hand, side they were a lot more fluid, interchanging loads to the point where you couldn't really say who was wide and who was more central. Don't expect it to happen when Barnes plays though. Edited August 9, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: No but it’s peak value. Sell him 2 years later, likely lose some money. And we always banging on about FFP. We also like to go about 'balance' a lot. So don't think they're necessarily against signing someone with the idea that they're likely going to be there for the back 9 of their career, rather than with half an eye on sell on value. As long as we don't make a habit of making multiple signings in that bracket per window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: We also like to go about 'balance' a lot. So don't think they're necessarily against signing someone with the idea that they're likely going to be there for the back 9 of their career, rather than with half an eye on sell on value. As long as we don't make a habit of making multiple signings in that bracket per window. Aye but we’ve not signed a player that age since the first window. And I feel like CB is a position where you can find good value. Schar being an example. And because I like Schar so much - I’d be happy going proper young like 20 and mostly used as cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 weeks of the window left and there seems to be only one definite name (Andersen) floating about. Some tenious rumours about Solet, Amrabat and Zaniolo but I don't see any of them happening. Solet is young and quick but he seems so raw, not sure how ready he would be for Premier League. The other two is just nonsense I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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