lovejoy Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, SteV said: I dare say if we’d offered Wolves the fee we paid for Woltemade, they’d have took it. But despite our “obsession”, we went for the non-PL proven player. Ha, great point! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 The excuse people used to give that Shithead Vurnon Anita is that he was tidy so that is a big alarm bell to be honest. still early days but we don’t need players whose main attribute is tidy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 44 minutes ago, SteV said: Thiaw no, Woltemade perhaps. Although we were in for Pedro before dickhead chucked his toys out the pram, so it was completely different dynamic. But, regardless, that isn’t really the point. If we’re “obsessed” with buying PL-proven players, spending £100m on players from the Bundesliga is an odd way to show it. we signed those after working our way down the list, and they’ve the better of our summer signings. Both Thiaw and Woltemade scream Nickson picks too, not Eddie’s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, Stuy_O said: we signed those after working our way down the list, and they’ve the better of our summer signings. Both Thiaw and Woltemade scream Nickson picks too, not Eddie’s So to make a point you make some theory up which is based on nothing. Right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 minutes ago, Stuy_O said: we signed those after working our way down the list, and they’ve the better of our summer signings. Both Thiaw and Woltemade scream Nickson picks too, not Eddie’s Know Nickson well? Or are you just making things up to suit your argument? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 15 minutes ago, James said: Shithead Vurnon Anita needless. Don’t ever recall him acting up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 I think there are people on here that would consider players like elanga a good deal if he comes good after 2 seasons. I think that’d be a really poor transfer tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: Know Nickson well? Or are you just making things up to suit your argument? No, it’s just my opinion that Woltemade and Thiaw were likely the result of long scouting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Gentlemen, is there any point in watching Transfer talk on Sky tonight, or should I have a nap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, wong989 said: The difference is Brighton have to sell their players as soon as they interest a cartel club, whereas we could fend off to a greater extent, especially if we already had a couple come through and improve the 11. You mean like we fended off Liverpool for Alexander Isak this summer? Or like we're going to fend off City for Livramento this coming summer? The key point here is Brighton's model is a flywheel. To acquire the new talent, you have to sell the old talent to fund the new purchases. You are actually more vulnerable to losing your best players in that model - your choice is basically sell the top talent or don't bring in the new talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 35 minutes ago, Stuy_O said: No, it’s just my opinion that Woltemade and Thiaw were likely the result of long scouting. Ramsey was linked to us at least 18 months before he signed. Elanga at least 12 months. If anything, they’ve arguably been scouted more. Certainly more than Woltemade, given he’d actually played very little football (in comparative terms) to scout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 16 minutes ago, SteV said: Ramsey was linked to us at least 18 months before he signed. Elanga at least 12 months. If anything, they’ve arguably been scouted more. Certainly more than Woltemade, given he’d actually played very little football (in comparative terms) to scout. This doesn’t change my opinion though. I believe Nickson is picking the players from abroad. Edited January 26 by Stuy_O Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 hours ago, TRC said: Would like Ross Wilson to come out and explain our transfer strategy this window. Still in 4 competitions, thread bare squad. Just feel like we need a lift. Maybe its not Wilson. Maybe every player offered to Howe he's rejected. Who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 36 minutes ago, Haz said: Gentlemen, is there any point in watching Transfer talk on Sky tonight, or should I have a nap? Nap. Always nap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, stozo said: You mean like we fended off Liverpool for Alexander Isak this summer? Or like we're going to fend off City for Livramento this coming summer? The key point here is Brighton's model is a flywheel. To acquire the new talent, you have to sell the old talent to fund the new purchases. You are actually more vulnerable to losing your best players in that model - your choice is basically sell the top talent or don't bring in the new talent. Apologies if I’m getting this wrong but do you really want us to act and operate like Brighton? By consensus we having an awful season, yet they are still below us and have never been in the Champions League and made Europe once. The media tout them as this model of a well run club simply because they offer zero threat to the establishment and are happy to finish 14th thru 9th every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, Monters said: Apologies if I’m getting this wrong but do you really want us to act and operate like Brighton? By consensus we having an awful season, yet they are still below us and have never been in the Champions League and made Europe once. The media tout them as this model of a well run club simply because they offer zero threat to the establishment and are happy to finish 14th thru 9th every year. I suppose this is relative, but I could imagine while some Brighton fans would be disappointed in the season overall from where they've been to where they are now they'd probably class that as successful. I think it was the late 90s they would have been in the Third Division and since then they gradually risen through the leagues and been an established PL side for nearly 10 years. A fan that saw them in the late 70/80s might just think that was a return to where they deserved after witnessing an almighty capitulation over 20 years. If we think of it from an NUFC perspective, generally we've always been in the top division apart from the early 80s and 90s aside from the relegations under Ashley. Since the takeover we've been on an upwards trajectory, or return to the late 90s success, but in comparison to the clubs we're looking to challenge we're way off. This is in part to the financial rules in place since the takeover, but that is what the bigger clubs want to be in place to prevent the likes of us and Villa competing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 16 minutes ago, robbo_11 said: I suppose this is relative, but I could imagine while some Brighton fans would be disappointed in the season overall from where they've been to where they are now they'd probably class that as successful. I think it was the late 90s they would have been in the Third Division and since then they gradually risen through the leagues and been an established PL side for nearly 10 years. A fan that saw them in the late 70/80s might just think that was a return to where they deserved after witnessing an almighty capitulation over 20 years. If we think of it from an NUFC perspective, generally we've always been in the top division apart from the early 80s and 90s aside from the relegations under Ashley. Since the takeover we've been on an upwards trajectory, or return to the late 90s success, but in comparison to the clubs we're looking to challenge we're way off. This is in part to the financial rules in place since the takeover, but that is what the bigger clubs want to be in place to prevent the likes of us and Villa competing. Simply put we are a bigger club than Brighton and should be striving for bigger and better things than simply mid table mediocrity. Ultimately I’d back the club to buy and sell any player but I’d hate the thought that we were marketing ourselves as a stepping stone to bigger clubs like Chelsea do… Reshape the squad definitely, simply recycle players not for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wong989 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, stozo said: You mean like we fended off Liverpool for Alexander Isak this summer? Or like we're going to fend off City for Livramento this coming summer? The key point here is Brighton's model is a flywheel. To acquire the new talent, you have to sell the old talent to fund the new purchases. You are actually more vulnerable to losing your best players in that model - your choice is basically sell the top talent or don't bring in the new talent. I said we could fend off to a greater extent, and add to that the fact that prior to this season we had a stronger team than Brighton. Consider if we'd had a Caceido/Baleba, Murillo/Hjuisen, Mbuemo/Cunha/Sememyo over the last couple years. Aside from that, we will see this summer that we are far more vulnerable to losing our best players this year having signed Ramsey, Wissa, Elanga because 7-8th place is a high target for us to be aiming for in reality. And we have no talents coming through to replace those who will demand a higher level this summer. A couple summers ago we were dying to spend 65 on Guehi, when Thiaw was available for 25-30. There were numerous players who signed for mid table clubs that summer for 10-20 million who have since tripled in value and would have immensely strengthened our side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Wissa has looked more threatening this season than Isak who cost over double and will be paid at least double. Isak has been playing with better players in a team that frequently gets 60% possession, not 51% like Howe NUFC. In spite of this Wissa has done the same in numbers and better if you consider the chances he got but missed. He's been caught offside much more than he was at Brentford, which suggests he's still adjusting to our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Stottie said: Wissa has looked more threatening this season than Isak who cost over double and will be paid at least double. Isak has been playing with better players in a team that frequently gets 60% possession, not 51% like Howe NUFC. In spite of this Wissa has done the same in numbers and better if you consider the chances he got but missed. He's been caught offside much more than he was at Brentford, which suggests he's still adjusting to our team. Nearly all transfers are going to come out favourably when you compare them to Isak's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It may be our last chance to give it a go in the CL for quite a while. Insane that we aren't getting in anyone. We are a Lewis Hall injury away from being in total shambles. With him starting 14 games in under 2 months shortly after returning from injury it sure wouldn't come as a surprise if he did get injured again. He needs relief, and Burn at LB ain't it. One thing is that he is not a LB, another is that he is the only CB cover we got. CB could also easily be a position that burns us(pun intented) unless a miracle happen with Botman staying injury free long term. Thiaw could probably have use of some rotation aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 11 hours ago, Weezertron said: I think there are people on here that would consider players like elanga a good deal if he comes good after 2 seasons. I think that’d be a really poor transfer tbh. Well he's got a six year contract; if he's shite for two but brilliant for four then there's a fair argument that he's been a good signing. Jacob Murphy looked like a competition winner when he first arrived and contributed next to nothing until about three years ago... he'll go down in Newcastle folklore as a bit of an icon, let alone a good deal. It depends what you're measuring it against. If you're rating his ability to make an immediate impact then it's a 1/10 transfer. Pick another indicator in due course and the rating could be different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I agree, we are just waiting for an injury to Hall to end our season, if we don’t bring any LB in this window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Zero said: I agree, we are just waiting for an injury to Hall to end our season, if we don’t bring any LB in this window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 A younger version of Burn, together with Trippier at his prime, might still able to make that work. Not now. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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