James Trafford: has "agreed personal terms" with NUFC but fee still to be agreed with Burnley (Romano)

[janpawel]

20 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

I think it's likely he helps us to break down stubborn teams. If your keeper can play, the whole team can be further up the pitch. It's harder for them to play out and you can win it high more often.

 

Absolutely. I don't want us to become a Brighton / City team. I love our direct style of play 

 

But I thought Martinez when we played Villa away was immense. Baited our press, nice clean passes to Rogers/Watkins and our shape and subsequently defense got ripped apart

 

Add this to our game with our pace merchants and we are laughing 

8 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

I wonder how quickly we'll find out whether this means the end of Pope or not. Doubt we'd get an answer from any official club output, ie, I don't see them asking Trafford if he's here to be number one or anything as pointed as that.

 

Two of the current keepers need to leave really. Obviously won't be Gillespie since he's signed a new deal this summer. So one of Vlach, Dubs and Pope needs to leave along with Ruddy (if he doesn't re-sign)

 We extended Dubs by 1 year didn't we? Hope we can get a fee from Saudi for him

[STM]

6 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

 

Personally I think it's kind of crazy. Especially if we're spending £30M+ on him. I think Pope is obviously the best guy for him to learn from but also, that's a lot of money for a bench warming keeper.

 

We don't know the fee yet but if its 30m, that's not alot for someone who could be your number 1 goalkeeper for the next decade and potentially be England's goalkeeper too.

 

If you look at it this way, we are getting our long term goalkeeper, rather than spending multiple fees on other goalkeepers who are here for a few years and the gone again.

 

It might be frustrating that it eats into this year's coffers but it will save us money in the long run.

[STM]

I think we'd be rather cheeky to expect a fee for Dubravka, after we begged him to stay. Im sure we'd let him go wherever he liked without much fuss.

 

He will be fondly remembered.

[PauloGeordio]

3 minutes ago, STM said:

 

We don't know the fee yet but if its 30m, that's not alot for someone who could be your number 1 goalkeeper for the next decade and potentially be England's goalkeeper too.

 

If you look at it this way, we are getting our long term goalkeeper, rather than spending multiple fees on other goalkeepers who are here for a few years and the gone again.

 

It might be frustrating that it eats into this year's coffers but it will save us money in the long run.

Exactly as it has with Tino and Lewis.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by PauloGeordio

[SteV]

When he eventually replaces Pickford in the England team, the RTG fume will be on Fender levels.

[PauloGeordio]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

When he eventually replaces Pickford in the England team, the RTG fume will be on Fender levels.

Good

[STM]

1 minute ago, PauloGeordio said:

Exactly as it has with Tino and Lewis.

 

Precisely. I think this is our approach.

 

I dont think we care so much about the size of the fee but the depth of the investment.

 

All of the obvious targets are of a similar age: Elanga, Pedro, even Scalvini.

[r0cafella]

In a none psr world I keep pope, in the real world I'm sorry I don't need 10 goal keepers. 

[PauloGeordio]

Just now, STM said:

 

Precisely. I think this is our approach.

 

I dont think we care so much about the size of the fee but the depth of the investment.

 

All of the obvious targets are of a similar age: Elanga, Pedro, even Scalvini.

Yeah, will see us right for a good few years going forward. Speculate to accumulate and all that. Then there’s the squad camaraderie and cohesion for the long term too. All good. I like what they are trying to do. 

[Geordie_once_removed]

Forgive me if this has already been asked but when did agreeing personal terms with players while they play for other clubs cease to be "tapping up". I remember a few teams in the mid noughties being given slaps on the wrist for doing this but these days it seems to be accepted.

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, Paully said:

£17m when they want £40m?! I smell bull shit!

 

Maybe it’s got something to do with Man City’s clause and we are going to return the favour later on…

 

Does seem very cheap though if at all true.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Paully said:

£17m when they want £40m?! I smell bull shit!

 

 

He's probably quoting last year's deal we had lined up before it fell through for PSR reasons. 

[gbandit]

Quick general query, does agreeing personal terms with a side bind a player in any way? E.g. if Trafford agrees with us is he also able to agree personal terms with another club or multiple other clubs? I would imagine so but it does seem the case that almost all the time when someone agrees personal terms with a club they go to that club if a fee is agreed 

[The Prophet]

Do Burnley need to sell to comply with PSR?

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, gbandit said:

Quick general query, does agreeing personal terms with a side bind a player in any way? E.g. if Trafford agrees with us is he also able to agree personal terms with another club or multiple other clubs? I would imagine so but it does seem the case that almost all the time when someone agrees personal terms with a club they go to that club if a fee is agreed 

No, the contract isn't signed so nothing is binding at that point. 

 

It's just a verbal agreement. 

[TK-421]

I still find it puzzling, being able to agree personal terms with a player before agreeing a fee with is club.

Used to be tapping up, didn't it?

Would Burnley have still had to give us permission to approach his reps/him, or are 'illegal approaches' and such like not frowned upon anymore?

Same with Mbuemo who's seemingly agreed terms with Man Utd, yet they still haven't met the price/terms for Brentford to let him go.

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 minute ago, TK-421 said:

I still find it puzzling, being able to agree personal terms with a player before agreeing a fee with is club.

Used to be tapping up, didn't it?

Would Burnley have still had to give us permission to approach his reps/him, or are 'illegal approaches' and such like not frowned upon anymore?

Same with Mbuemo who's seemingly agreed terms with Man Utd, yet they still haven't met the price/terms for Brentford to let him go.

 

Burnley will have allowed us to speak to him.

[Jackie Broon]

2 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

I still find it puzzling, being able to agree personal terms with a player before agreeing a fee with is club.

Used to be tapping up, didn't it?

Would Burnley have still had to give us permission to approach his reps/him, or are 'illegal approaches' and such like not frowned upon anymore?

Same with Mbuemo who's seemingly agreed terms with Man Utd, yet they still haven't met the price/terms for Brentford to let him go.

 

Burnley have probably agreed to let us speak to him, otherwise it would very much be against the PL's rules.

[JUICE690]

Is Trafford much better than Pope at kicking out, passing accurately? Remember looking at his stats a while back and thinking they weren’t up to much. Haven’t seen him play though.

[Kid Icarus]

You know what? I'm excited. 

[Rich]

He’s going to be class

[healthyaddiction]

9 minutes ago, JUICE690 said:

Is Trafford much better than Pope at kicking out, passing accurately? Remember looking at his stats a while back and thinking they weren’t up to much. Haven’t seen him play though.

Yes, it's one of his strong points.

[Ben]

Pope and Trafford going into next season would be very strong

[kingxlnc]

Longstaff potentially would be a very good signing for Burnley now that I think about it. 

Ditto Dubravka, Wilson and Targett. 

All would bring PL experience. 

[KaKa]

I think clubs can ask permission to speak to the player regarding personal terms, before then negotiating the fee.

 

Although, for that to happen I imagine both clubs would have to not be too far apart in valuations, and so anticipate being able to come to an agreement eventually.