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6 minutes ago, OverThere said:

I know but why did he look just a shell of what we see now?

 

He wasn't our starter mate, and he seemed shot for confidence with us. He is their main man? 

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12 minutes ago, Kanj said:

You guys should look up the # of strikers who of the right age, who we didn't miss out on signing/just moved to another team, and scored over 15 goals in the top 7 leagues in europe. It's shockingly shit. 

 

The below list are some of the names of the players who hit 20 goals in these respective leagues. Want to know why these players cost so much? That's why (fuck you Liverpool). 

 

Mohamed Salah

Alexander Isak

Erling Haaland

Kylian Mbappé

Robert Lewandowski

Ante Budimir

Mateo Retegui

Mason Greenwood

Ousmane Dembélé

Sem Steijn

Viktor Gyökeres

Harry Kane

Serhou Guirassy

 

Notables: Wissa 19, Watkins 16, Mateta 14, Strand Larsen 14, Delap 12, JP 10, Jackson 10, Burkadt 18, Ekitke 15, Sesko 13, Woltemede 12, Julian Alvarez 17, Moise Kean 19 

 

Missing names but hopefully you get this picture once you filter it out by age, recent transfers etc. 

 

 

 

 

 

Our situation right now is like where you run a search with a bunch of filters on Football Manager trying to find the exact right transfer target and end up with zero results.

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As a Norwegian, I feel uniquely positioned to state an opinion as we inherently talk down our players until they end up doing so well that it's beggars belief to talk them down (Haaland being pretty much the sole example), as well as us always looking for even the smallest "crack" in their armour as an opportunity for us to begin talking them down rather than up. As such, I've always been dismissive of Strand Larsen as anything other than "just another big striker among big strikers".

 

That said, if the question was "Matheus Cunha or Jørgen Strand Larsen", and you're someone that would say "Cunha, of course, ten out of ten times" – you might also find yourself surprised if you take a look at the actual numbers posted by both. For starters, they both played for the same team last season and played the exact same amount of minutes in the league for that team.

Cunha: 35 apps / 15 goals / 6 assists

Larsen: 35 apps / 14 goals / 4 assists

Meaning Cunha ended with 1 goal/assist per 123 minutes and Strand Larsen 1 goal/assist per 144 minutes, which isn't all that different.

 

Looking at the season before that, Strand Larsen played for a team that finished 14th in LaLiga and finished 13th on the overall top scorer table, as the highest non-top 10 team player of the bunch (if I didn't miss anyone, didn't check if Valencia for instance ended on the higher half or lower but feel like they finished higher that season).

 

Season before that he appears to mainly have been used as an impact sub in the later part of matches, and the season before that he did great for Groeningen in the Eredivisie as the 7th highest goalscorer in the league for a team finishing 12th.

 

As such, I find it hard to argue that he's not at the very least an above mediocre striker given how he's performed for teams that've all finished in the lower half of their respective leagues at the same time as him finishing in the top goalscorers list of the leagues at the end of each season. Who's to say he won't do better than what he's done so far in his career if playing for a team in the top half of their respective league? Depending on the price, amongst the currently quoted batch of transfer targets, I'd say he's perhaps the one I believe would best suit our playing style without needing time to adapt as well as having proven he can score goals and assist in the Premier League already.

 

Given Wolves bought the guy for £30m and he seems to have proven he can score goals in the PL, £50m to £60m doesn't seem that horrid in the grand scheme of transfer fees bandied about for even unproven players. Especially as Cunha went for £65m and has a somewhat weaker history to show for that price point, managing 0 goals for Atletico Madrid (who finished 3rd) in the same season Strand Larsen netted 14 for Celta Vigo (who finished 13th). Even the season before that, Strand Larsen scored 2 whilst being an impact sub for a team fighting relegation as Cunha scored 6 in the same type of impact sub role for a team mounting a title challenge.

 

That said, my own hipster choices for striker to buy would be either Jonathan Burkardt from Eintracht Frankfurt or Nick Woltemade from VfB Stuttgart.

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The last Vardy post I made was in jest, now I'm fucking serious :lol:

 

We're monumentally fucked if we end the transfer window with no recognised striker, like. Gordon isn't it, Osula isn't trusted. Nobody is saying (or at least I'm not) "it's Vardy or no-one", but surely he'd be a handy option to have even if we get a main man in. If we don't... even at this stage of his career I'd still fancy him to get a decent amount of goals and start a lot of the games. 

 

Obviously his agent will have us over a barrell but then who won't, at this point 😅

 

Fucking Isak, man. You rat bastard. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, MagPar said:

I've always maintained that Vardy would be handy to bring off the bench or start the (very) occasional game. I'm well aware that I'm in the minority though. He'd hardly cost a fortune and keeps himself fit. I thought Wrexham would have tried to get him.

Howe only gave Osula 5 minutes against Villa despite us having no striker on the pitch all game. And last year a legless Wilson had 350 minutes in the league with no Europe.

 

It's probably more a squad size issue than a wage issue why we'll not go for him, but Vardy would see a fair amount of game time if we don't sign 2 strikers.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Kaizero said:

As a Norwegian, I feel uniquely positioned to state an opinion as we inherently talk down our players until they end up doing so well that it's beggars belief to talk them down (Haaland being pretty much the sole example), as well as us always looking for even the smallest "crack" in their armour as an opportunity for us to begin talking them down rather than up. As such, I've always been dismissive of Strand Larsen as anything other than "just another big striker among big strikers".

 

That said, if the question was "Matheus Cunha or Jørgen Strand Larsen", and you're someone that would say "Cunha, of course, ten out of ten times" – you might also find yourself surprised if you take a look at the actual numbers posted by both. For starters, they both played for the same team last season and played the exact same amount of minutes in the league for that team.

Cunha: 35 apps / 15 goals / 6 assists

Larsen: 35 apps / 14 goals / 4 assists

Meaning Cunha ended with 1 goal/assist per 123 minutes and Strand Larsen 1 goal/assist per 144 minutes, which isn't all that different.

 

Looking at the season before that, Strand Larsen played for a team that finished 14th in LaLiga and finished 13th on the overall top scorer table, as the highest non-top 10 team player of the bunch (if I didn't miss anyone, didn't check if Valencia for instance ended on the higher half or lower but feel like they finished higher that season).

 

Season before that he appears to mainly have been used as an impact sub in the later part of matches, and the season before that he did great for Groeningen in the Eredivisie as the 7th highest goalscorer in the league for a team finishing 12th.

 

As such, I find it hard to argue that he's not at the very least an above mediocre striker given how he's performed for teams that've all finished in the lower half of their respective leagues at the same time as him finishing in the top goalscorers list of the leagues at the end of each season. Who's to say he won't do better than what he's done so far in his career if playing for a team in the top half of their respective league? Depending on the price, amongst the currently quoted batch of transfer targets, I'd say he's perhaps the one I believe would best suit our playing style without needing time to adapt as well as having proven he can score goals and assist in the Premier League already.

 

Given Wolves bought the guy for £30m and he seems to have proven he can score goals in the PL, £50m to £60m doesn't seem that horrid in the grand scheme of transfer fees bandied about for even unproven players. Especially as Cunha went for £65m and has a somewhat weaker history to show for that price point, managing 0 goals for Atletico Madrid (who finished 3rd) in the same season Strand Larsen netted 14 for Celta Vigo (who finished 13th). Even the season before that, Strand Larsen scored 2 whilst being an impact sub for a team fighting relegation as Cunha scored 6 in the same type of impact sub role for a team mounting a title challenge.

 

That said, my own hipster choices for striker to buy would be either Jonathan Burkardt from Eintracht Frankfurt or Nick Woltemade from VfB Stuttgart.

 

Kaiz standing up for his countryman while I gleefully shit on every Korean player ever associated with us :lol: making me look bad.

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6 minutes ago, oldtype said:

 

Kaiz standing up for his countryman while I gleefully shit on every Korean player ever associated with us :lol: making me look bad.

 

It feels counter-intuitive, I was going in fully prepared to unleash a shitfest but then I looked at the actual numbers and couldn't in good faith bash him as intended :lol: Lesson to be learnt for those wanting to keep bashing players of their own nationality without reason; don't go actually look at the numbers :thup: 

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15 minutes ago, oldtype said:

 

Our situation right now is like where you run a search with a bunch of filters on Football Manager trying to find the exact right transfer target and end up with zero results.

We've all been there, mate. [emoji38]

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I see lots of talk about him being comparable to Wood. 

 

My question is l, why didn't Wood work here? While we have upgraded in the wide areas since he left, are we set up differently now? I don't think its radically different. We create chances. 

 

I remember Wood getting in the right places but fluffing it. Maybe more a case of things simply not clicking for Wood here rather than "we arent set up for a big man upfront"? 

 

Having a couple of different profile strikers is important for changing tactics if needed though.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, toontownman said:

I see lots of talk about him being comparable to Wood. 

 

My question is l, why didn't Wood work here? While we have upgraded in the wide areas since he left, are we set up differently now? I don't think its radically different. We create chances. 

 

I remember Wood getting in the right places but fluffing it. Maybe more a case of things simply not clicking for Wood here rather than "we arent set up for a big man upfront"? 

 

Having a couple of different profile strikers is important for changing tactics if needed though.

 

 

A few reasons with Wood, main one being he needs a #10/SS to play off of that we didn’t have here. 

 

He just never got going here and felt the pressure a bit as well I think, he did what we needed him to do though. He provided us structure up top that we would have been totally lost without. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nine said:

A few reasons with Wood, main one being he needs a #10/SS to play off of though.

 

He just never got going here and felt the pressure a bit as well I think, he did what we needed him to do though. He provided us structure up top that we would have been totally lost without. 

I assume we would be looking for something similar if we got JSL. Isak rarely plays like a traditional 9 and often goes wide or deep. It would mean an adjustment for us and JSL creating space for more runners from midfield. Ramsey would thrive in that for sure.

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5 minutes ago, toontownman said:

I assume we would be looking for something similar if we got JSL. Isak rarely plays like a traditional 9 and often goes wide or deep. It would mean an adjustment for us and JSL creating space for more runners from midfield. Ramsey would thrive in that for sure.

We were defo planning to evolve the front line, with Pedro and Ekitike both being targeted to play alongside Isak. 
 

It’ll sort of be another (tweaked) version of what Howe was doing at Bournemouth with King and Wilson, he does like a #10. We just havnt had the tools to execute it yet. It was defo the plan before Isak threw a spanner in and still will be mid-long term. 
 

Evolution of the side has been set back again, but depending on the outcome of Isak I still feel we might end up with two new forwards. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kaizero said:

As a Norwegian, I feel uniquely positioned to state an opinion as we inherently talk down our players until they end up doing so well that it's beggars belief to talk them down (Haaland being pretty much the sole example), as well as us always looking for even the smallest "crack" in their armour as an opportunity for us to begin talking them down rather than up. As such, I've always been dismissive of Strand Larsen as anything other than "just another big striker among big strikers".

 

That said, if the question was "Matheus Cunha or Jørgen Strand Larsen", and you're someone that would say "Cunha, of course, ten out of ten times" – you might also find yourself surprised if you take a look at the actual numbers posted by both. For starters, they both played for the same team last season and played the exact same amount of minutes in the league for that team.

Cunha: 35 apps / 15 goals / 6 assists

Larsen: 35 apps / 14 goals / 4 assists

Meaning Cunha ended with 1 goal/assist per 123 minutes and Strand Larsen 1 goal/assist per 144 minutes, which isn't all that different.

 

Looking at the season before that, Strand Larsen played for a team that finished 14th in LaLiga and finished 13th on the overall top scorer table, as the highest non-top 10 team player of the bunch (if I didn't miss anyone, didn't check if Valencia for instance ended on the higher half or lower but feel like they finished higher that season).

 

Season before that he appears to mainly have been used as an impact sub in the later part of matches, and the season before that he did great for Groeningen in the Eredivisie as the 7th highest goalscorer in the league for a team finishing 12th.

 

As such, I find it hard to argue that he's not at the very least an above mediocre striker given how he's performed for teams that've all finished in the lower half of their respective leagues at the same time as him finishing in the top goalscorers list of the leagues at the end of each season. Who's to say he won't do better than what he's done so far in his career if playing for a team in the top half of their respective league? Depending on the price, amongst the currently quoted batch of transfer targets, I'd say he's perhaps the one I believe would best suit our playing style without needing time to adapt as well as having proven he can score goals and assist in the Premier League already.

 

Given Wolves bought the guy for £30m and he seems to have proven he can score goals in the PL, £50m to £60m doesn't seem that horrid in the grand scheme of transfer fees bandied about for even unproven players. Especially as Cunha went for £65m and has a somewhat weaker history to show for that price point, managing 0 goals for Atletico Madrid (who finished 3rd) in the same season Strand Larsen netted 14 for Celta Vigo (who finished 13th). Even the season before that, Strand Larsen scored 2 whilst being an impact sub for a team fighting relegation as Cunha scored 6 in the same type of impact sub role for a team mounting a title challenge.

 

That said, my own hipster choices for striker to buy would be either Jonathan Burkardt from Eintracht Frankfurt or Nick Woltemade from VfB Stuttgart.

Cracking post mate. 

But this is also the problem with the Isak valuation, we can't buy a bloke that's "above mediocre" for half of the fee that we're getting from one of the best around.

I know in the FFP and PSR world it's not quite that simple, but it's still way too much for someone who isn't anywhere near top tier.

I've said this a lot, but I still feel like even £150m is insulting for Isak. Try and bid that for Mbappe, Dembele or Haaland and see what reaction you get. That's the level Isak is at, and the fact that Liverpool has bid a measily £110m and his antics this summer shouldn't devalue him at all. 

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