Irish Paul Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 hours ago, nufcjmc said: Your a wonderful poster on here and love your positive pro the club mindset, I also don't think this is what you intentionally meant when putting this comment but as someone who suffers from clinical depression I cannot help but see my world in a negative way. I can joke about it at times often retorting that my glass just isn't half full it has a hole in it, looking on the bright side is not my go to place and find it difficult to find it. My mother when we used to speak used to say "pull yourself together pretend your a pair of curtains" I found it patronising at best and a little heartless like I want my mind to feel the way I do and did it on purpose. Now I spend most of the time making maximum effort to try look for the good and bad things to balance out but it is sometimes a mental struggle to do so best way I can describe it its like physically asking a 8 stone bloke to pick up a boulder first try with no help. Anyway didnt want to derail/spoil what was a very good performance with this just felt I needed to get it off my chest. Brave post, good to read it and best of luck to you. I find the complaining about the complainers a bit bizarre anyway. If you're that positive/optimistic/happy why would you give a s*** if others aren't. The meltdowns/overreactions/savage criticism on here are a huge part of what makes the forum enjoyable. We have similar forums for GAA in Ireland and I'd be very against criticising players too harshly there because the players are amateurs but the Newcastle players&management are on ridiculous money and are thus fair game. As long as the criticism is kept to football only, then vent away imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 As a fan invested in the club and who cares deeply I think criticism is fine. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion as it is just that opinion. Where it gets a little murky is the belittling of view points that dont allign with your own. There is a fine line between debate and rebuttal and simply refusing those who differ as something that has no merit. Luckily for me and for us all that doesn't really happen on here ever. We all in the main invest far too much of our time on the board to be a flash in the pan fan with wild takes. I know none of you very well but I read every thread and every comment with interest and look forward to what takes people have. Last night was amazing in the context of who we started with and who was missing in the line up and who we were playing against. Added to our general away form for more context. Was it perfect ? No in all honesty when they broke on us they played some lovely stuff. The narrative that some of their players had off nights totally forgets we were there in part making them look that way. Just got to hope some of this can be lessons learned for future fixtures as some of this has the makings of a solid plan over 4-3-3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 My takes from the game - Great that the squad players put on such a good showing (Willock and, to a lesser extent, Ramsey) - Great to have BDB back - Elanga was full of running and intent, and constantly looking for the ball and trying to control the attacks. I was impressed and hopefully (needs to) translates to prem now. - Ref was a total corrupt homer shithead wanker prick and is a blatant wrong 'un. We should've had at least a penalty, or at least a longer VAR check and the Elanga yellow... - I'm still unsure if Willock was offside, the image I seen was of the wrong player - Miley, Tonali and Barnes all sliced half-volleys way over the bar. We really need to work on these downward half-volley type shots. - Pope looked very competent compared to their knacker in goals - Tonali's game seems to be entirely based on running about like a madman, there's not huge quality in there, hopefully returns soon - Subs were almost perfect, though I'd maybe have gone Osula instead of Wissa just to cause max chaos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Completely opposite to you Yorkie, I don't feel deflated at all. We had a scratch team, in a new formation and played the champions off the park for most of the game. Obviously a win would have been great but I don't feel deflated after such a difficult week results wise The experience itself was so much better than Marseille too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, joeyt said: Completely opposite to you Yorkie, I don't feel deflated at all. We had a scratch team, in a new formation and played the champions off the park for most of the game. Obviously a win would have been great but I don't feel deflated after such a difficult week results wise The experience itself was so much better than Marseille too We tried a new formation, played well, have a likely easy draw in the playoffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 My take is that it was an excellent performance against one of the best teams in Europe / the world. Gutted that Barnes didn't seal it or I'd have gone ballistic. It shows we can mix it with anyone and have them on the ropes when we play at the edge, and that a lot of the fringe players can really contribute. Miley is going to be a superstar, Burn already is. It's quite a turnaround from a squad that seemed on it's last legs the last time we played in the CL. Just feel really proud today and not down at all, even though I'd have preferred to have avoided a playoff like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, nufcjmc said: As a fan invested in the club and who cares deeply I think criticism is fine. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion as it is just that opinion. Where it gets a little murky is the belittling of view points that dont allign with your own. There is a fine line between debate and rebuttal and simply refusing those who differ as something that has no merit. Luckily for me and for us all that doesn't really happen on here ever. We all in the main invest far too much of our time on the board to be a flash in the pan fan with wild takes. I know none of you very well but I read every thread and every comment with interest and look forward to what takes people have. Last night was amazing in the context of who we started with and who was missing in the line up and who we were playing against. Added to our general away form for more context. Was it perfect ? No in all honesty when they broke on us they played some lovely stuff. The narrative that some of their players had off nights totally forgets we were there in part making them look that way. Just got to hope some of this can be lessons learned for future fixtures as some of this has the makings of a solid plan over 4-3-3. I don't know if you go to games or not, but a lot of the complaining about the complainers in here is often fuelled by those of us who have to listen to the real life complainers in the ground when their ultra-negativity has an actual effect on the environment the players have to play in. As a fan base we seem to be mired in a negative and critical mindset, when things are actually really good right now. We're not saying everyone should be happy clapper ultra-optimists and I personally think they're just as daft as the doom and gloom merchants. But the prevailing mindset of negativity and doom is following NUFC around like a bad stench and some of us are properly sick of it and will call it out when we feel it's unjustified whinging. Edited January 29 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Charlton Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Only seen the 5mins tnt highlights on youtube,Glad they didnt show any of our penalty calls as theres was a disgrace.Great to read that Ramsey looked decent and Willock too.Was the formation/game plan the same on v Leeds opening game? Quite excited for these playoff games Listening on the radio is quite the experience,Heart pounding moments all the way no matter how dangerous the play was as i obviously couldn't watch it,The commentators made it like it was edge of the seat stuff if we won a corner,Brilliant Edited January 29 by Steve Charlton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 hours ago, madras said: Gotto to try and get some width to stretch a low block. PSG dont low block. True, but how’s that been going?! What I’m trying to point out is to get the best out of Woltemade he needs players close to him and making runs beyond him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, black_n_white said: True, but how’s that been going?! What I’m trying to point out is to get the best out of Woltemade he needs players close to him and making runs beyond him. Its something that needs time to work on. Time we havent had. Yes we need players to get close to him but he also needs to be stronger with his back to goal and the players that get close to him nnleednt be the wide forwards but centr mids and the likes of Hall and Tino as well reading what their teammates are doing. (See Leverkusens equaliser V us) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 hours ago, Dan Gleebals said: What has really stood out for me, is that we really need a player in the Vitinha mould.. Someone who can ping them from distance, as we have lacked that for a while now. Not sure there really are any. He's a wonderful player. Know what you mean, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 hours ago, Dan Gleebals said: What has really stood out for me, is that we really need a player in the Vitinha mould.. Someone who can ping them from distance, as we have lacked that for a while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 15 hours ago, Pata said: As above but my MotM between Ramsey and Willock. Thought most had a good to decent game including Elanga and Woltemade who have the lowest ratings on that pic. Some really brave passing sequences to break the press and we didn't just sit back without the ball after being under the cosh for the first 15 minutes. I thought Ramsey had his best game for us (as far as I can recall). Still too many unforced errors/misplaced passes to be knocking Lil Joe off the top step of the podium though. Edited January 29 by Coffee_Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 hours ago, Dan Gleebals said: Very encouraging performance after the initial 15-20 mins. What has really stood out for me, is that we really need a player in the Vitinha mould.. Someone who can ping them from distance, as we have lacked that for a while now. He looked class. But I’d have their 19 year old speed merchant Warren Zaire-Emery over any of them. 100 games for PSG by the time he’s 19– some player! Plus about time we had another Warren. Off to figure out how to make Emery rhyme with centre parting… be right back (in a decade). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Vitinha had a bit of a Ruben Neves-esque whinge in his post match. Scored our only chance apparently. Must be a Portuguese thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Paul Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: I don't know if you go to games or not, but a lot of the complaining about the complainers in here is often fuelled by those of use who have to listen to the real life complainers in the ground when their ultra-negativity has an actual effect on the environment the players have to play in. As a fan base we seem to be mired in a negative and critical mindset, when things are actually really good right now. We're not saying everyone should be happy clapper ultra-optimists and I personally think they're just as daft as the doom and gloom merchants. But the prevailing mindset of negativity and doom is following NUFC around like a bad stench and some of us are properly sick of it and will call it out when we feel it's unjustified whinging. Sorry maybe I got the wrong end of the stick there. If fans are being negative in the ground that's a different matter entirely and like you say, affects the atmosphere which in turn affects the performance of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Irish Paul said: Sorry maybe I got the wrong end of the stick there. If fans are being negative in the ground that's a different matter entirely and like you say, affects the atmosphere which in turn affects the performance of the team. I think the two are inextricably linked. Some of us have to spend 90 mins plus added time listening to fuckwits slagging off our players and it's been so bad recently that Eddie's even had to call them out publicly about their treatment of Elanga. Then we come on here and read posts slagging off our own players and manager. It's not constructive criticism or debate, it's just narrow minded idiocy e.g. Elanga, waste of money, he'll always be shite. So we'll react to that unnecessary negativity. And it's all in the context that things are arguably better at NUFC right nowt than they've ever been in most of our lifetimes. Yes, it could be better, but it's 100% definitely not bad. And we'll usually unleash some sarcastic comments and gifs to get that point across. Edited January 29 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) We played the current CL champions off the park, on their home turf for most the match - yes we didn't win but we also didn't lose. Was a brilliant performance that no one in the media predicted. There were also so many stand out performances inc squad players, Willock, Ramsey. That result should give the team bags of confidence going into the Liverpool game. Edited January 29 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 9 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Weird waking up and being happy with a draw that ultimately didn't get us what we needed, but really proud with that performance like Loved it but would have killed for the win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said: I think the two are inextricably linked. Some of us have to spend 90 mins plus added time listening to fuckwits slagging off our players and it's been so bad recently that Eddie's even had to call them out publicly about their treatment of Elanga. Then we come on here and read posts slagging off our own players and manager. It's not constructive criticism or debate, it's just narrow minded idiocy e.g. Elanga, waste of money, he'll always be shite. So we'll react to that unnecessary negativity. And it's all in the context that things are arguably better at NUFC right nowt than they've ever been in most of our lifetimes. Yes, it could be better, but it's 100% definitely not bad. And we'll usually unleash some sarcastic comments and gifs to get that point across. A...fuckin....men Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Loved it but would have killed for the win. Suss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 26 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Loved it but would have killed for the win. I’d prefer you do that to win at Anfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mills and Boon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Regarding the negativity, I don't think anyone is saying that you can't be negative full stop. But there's a canny difference between saying "I don't fancy this starting lineup" and spouting ultra negative tripe like wanting us to get beat 10 nowt because it'll get Howe sacked sooner. It feels like some fans are really putting the effort in to outdo each other in the doom posting one-upmanship stakes. It'll end up with people wishing on an asteroid to flatten St James' because we gave away a throw in before long. All this in the face of one of the most successful spells supporting Newcastle in anyone's lifetime. Some people just can't enjoy the ride, the poor bastards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 7 hours ago, Yorkie said: One thing I do take solace from is that a draw at the Velodrome - which I feel is the most we could've realistically asked for - wouldn't have been enough. I think 15 points was a realistic ceiling for us given our fixture list, so to be one shy of that is very good going. Just focus on the crap defending for the last minute goal we conceded in Leverkusen, then. That would have seen us through Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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