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Just now, manorpark said:

 

This 1997 proposal is explained in my post about two posts above from your post.

Right, I remember that, just didn't seem like it in the illustration.

 

I regularly drive down Richardson road and look over Castle Leazes (The Dog Bog as the locals call it and an area few wander over in darkness) and wonder what would have happened had it gone ahead.

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6 hours ago, manorpark said:

 

Yes, the City Council had approved it, and (amazingly) the Freemen had agreed to support it. They liked the plans for an enlarged Leazes Park encroaching into part of the land that had been occupied by the football stadium. That (St James' Park) was going to be reduced in size by about 50% of land area, and would have been converted into an indoor arena.

 

Local protest groups had gained support though and would have taken it to a public enquiry. It would all have taken far too long SJH said, so they opted to expand St James' Park instead.

 

 


I forget what the leader of the campaign against it was called but I know that they went to Sunderland to obtain signatures for their petition against it.

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25 minutes ago, Sima said:


I forget what the leader of the campaign against it was called but I know that they went to Sunderland to obtain signatures for their petition against it.

Aye, they went to Sunderland on match days and I think a lot we’re students, the majority of which are probably now living elsewhere.

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1 hour ago, Kanji said:

It almost feels like the best plan is a land trade, of sorts. Which would be sensational. 
 

(based on the above)

On that shot above of Leazes Terrace you can just see the Tyne bridge aspect to the roof of new stadium in distance, it was going to be the stadiums Wembley arch.

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8 hours ago, manorpark said:

 

This is how Leazes Park opposite Leazes Terrace (with the East Stand gone) was going to look like with the half-sized St James' Park Arena plans . . . Newcastle_United_FC_-_1997_New_Ground_Pl 

 

I've always loved this rendering. Would imagine the residents would appreciate not having to look out onto a giant slab of concrete, too.

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Sure it's been mentioned before but NUFC don't own the land that SJP is on, it's currently leased to them by the freemen of Newcastle.

 

I presume their would be no objection on their part but bare that in mind.

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Anything other than rebuilding on the land that SJP currently sits on should be an option. Its what makes up special so to speak, you can see the stadium from most places within the city. It has to be within ~200m of the current location. 

 

Buy the abortion being built next to the strawberry, pull the fucking lot down. Reroute the metro, build down its might cost hundreds of billions or whatever (the metro reroute) but so what. It has to be on the same land.

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35 minutes ago, STM said:

Sure it's been mentioned before but NUFC don't own the land that SJP is on, it's currently leased to them by the freemen of Newcastle.

 

I presume their would be no objection on their part but bare that in mind.

 

@LFEE will know this.

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8 hours ago, POOT 2.0 said:

A quick mock-up (I know, it's been done many times before...and better :lol: ) shows you can keep the amount of land the park has and just move it around. Easier said than done, but not that difficult. It's just landscaping. 

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This is how the proposals were illustrated in 1997 . . .

 

Newcastle_United_FC_-_1997_New_Ground_Pl

 

 

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I really hope that if there is a new stadium built in the future that it remains in the City, Exhibition Park or the site of the Arena seem to be mentioned as possibilities...  The central location has always made our stadium special, not only to us but, also to visiting fans...  It would be a disaster to move out of town to some former industrial repurposed site, I dunno....  like the mackems soulless hell hole!

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Even with a title challenging Newcastle, I don't think we'd need more than 60,000. 

 

If you're getting into the realm of 65,000+, I think you'll see a lot of empty seats for less important games. Surely we want people fighting to get in, but enough chance for people to get in. 

 

I'd be overjoyed if they keep SJP where it is, but extend over the Gallowgate. I'm sure they can make it happen, and it will cost a hell of a lot less than relocating. 

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2 hours ago, STM said:

Sure it's been mentioned before but NUFC don't own the land that SJP is on, it's currently leased to them by the freemen of Newcastle.

 

I presume their would be no objection on their part but bare that in mind.

 

As I understand it, the freehold of the stadium site belongs to Newcastle City Council. 

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53 minutes ago, TheGuv said:

Even with a title challenging Newcastle, I don't think we'd need more than 60,000. 

 

If you're getting into the realm of 65,000+, I think you'll see a lot of empty seats for less important games. Surely we want people fighting to get in, but enough chance for people to get in. 

 

I'd be overjoyed if they keep SJP where it is, but extend over the Gallowgate. I'm sure they can make it happen, and it will cost a hell of a lot less than relocating. 

 

Yeah, as much as I'd like to see a 65,000+ capacity stadium full for big games, when we were playing in the champions league we struggled to fill the stadium. Even the first time round when we had 36,000 capacity it was easy to get tickets for those matches, even Barcelona.

 

 

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1 hour ago, TheGuv said:

Even with a title challenging Newcastle, I don't think we'd need more than 60,000. 

 

If you're getting into the realm of 65,000+, I think you'll see a lot of empty seats for less important games. Surely we want people fighting to get in, but enough chance for people to get in. 

 

I'd be overjoyed if they keep SJP where it is, but extend over the Gallowgate. I'm sure they can make it happen, and it will cost a hell of a lot less than relocating. 

 

I wonder what crowd a consistently successful Newcastle could attract? It's clear over 10k fans have walked away including myself and all my mates yet we still get 40 odd thousand. 60 to 65k is a good shout but even then cup and European games would probably see thousands of empty seats. But who knows what effect success could have. There could be another 15k casual fans on top who suddenly want to start going once we are on a roll. So, I don't know It's a bit of  mystery.

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In the long and distant past you could buy the bond to go with your season ticket. It not only guaranteed your seat (ha!) but also allowed you cup tickets if I remember rightly. It didn't happen with the Champions League football but I think that was after the bond. I'd be more than happy to pay extra a season for my seat for all cup games including Europe. Club you'd assume would be happy as if they did crap or majority away games, it's free cash but if they do well, it's full stadium. 

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10 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

 

I wonder what crowd a consistently successful Newcastle could attract? It's clear over 10k fans have walked away including myself and all my mates yet we still get 40 odd thousand. 60 to 65k is a good shout but even then cup and European games would probably see thousands of empty seats. But who knows what effect success could have. There could be another 15k casual fans on top who suddenly want to start going once we are on a roll. So, I don't know It's a bit of  mystery.

 

Does anyone recall how long was the season ticket waiting list in the '90s peak? I remember hearing it was pretty insane but of course would need to bear in mind that peak was before the expansion to 52k.

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21 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Yeah, as much as I'd like to see a 65,000+ capacity stadium full for big games, when we were playing in the champions league we struggled to fill the stadium. Even the first time round when we had 36,000 capacity it was easy to get tickets for those matches, even Barcelona.

 

 

 

Crowd sizes for Champions League games should have no bearing on making a decision on what capacity stadium we should have. Its the domestic competitions that count, and the simple fact is a Newcastle United challenging for domestic honours every year will, at the very least, fill a 70K stadium every week.

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