Ridman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not sure why Villa's so funny. While he's been in this country, they've finished 6th three times, played in Europe, spent a fortune and just bought a 24m centre forward. Meanwhile he's been here with Kinnear as manager, sack the one who got us promoted, seen us sell everyone we've had an offer for and been relegated. Black and white specs firmly on if you think we look a better career move. Moving to Villa wouldn´t be an ambitious move. They wont´be in Europe next season and I can´t see them competing for a champ league place in coming years. Man U, Man C, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool will take the top 5 guranteed and it will be up to the remaining the teams to fight for the 6-7th place Europa league spots. Think it would be daft to move from a club that you like and are very popular amongst the fans for a possible chance to play in the Europa league in 2 years time. He can do a lot better than Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think the major issue here is that so long as he's here, he's not going to get in the Spanish squad. Atleast i can imagine that's what he's thinking. But only a move back to Spain would upgrade the chances of that, imo. If the Spanish coaches aren't picking him whilst he's at Newcastle, i don't see why they'd pick him whilst he's at Villa. I really fucking hope we get into Europe. Forget relegation, it was never, ever happening; the next three games are absolutely massive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If we finish the season well - with Ben Arfa lighting up the world - we could get Europa League. If he gets his Spain call-up in the meantime (somebody said Del Bosque nearly did it recently) and we announce a signing early.......then maybe theres a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "ambition" has been mentioned a few times in this thread. just wondering from our current position what people see as "showing ambition" ? is it investing the carroll money in the squad or that and any projected profit from this season or do we want ashley to sub the club more baring in mind we'll still owe it to our owner. Maddy back in the day when Mckeag & Co let Willie Mc spend all the Gazza money did you think then Mckeag was being ambitious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Who'd have thought that our first season back in the Premiership, we're talking about having to get Europe just to keep players happy and content! Just seems crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If we finish the season well - with Ben Arfa lighting up the world - we could get Europa League. If he gets his Spain call-up in the meantime (somebody said Del Bosque nearly did it recently) and we announce a signing early.......then maybe theres a chance. A chance when in comes to leaving for Liverpool or Villa , but if Man United puts in a bid , he can't say no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If we finish the season well - with Ben Arfa lighting up the world - we could get Europa League. If he gets his Spain call-up in the meantime (somebody said Del Bosque nearly did it recently) and we announce a signing early.......then maybe theres a chance. If he gets a call-up by the end of the season and we make Europe, i think that'll be enough. I really do think it'll be about the national team for Jose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "ambition" has been mentioned a few times in this thread. just wondering from our current position what people see as "showing ambition" ? is it investing the carroll money in the squad or that and any projected profit from this season or do we want ashley to sub the club more baring in mind we'll still owe it to our owner. Maddy back in the day when Mckeag & Co let Willie Mc spend all the Gazza money did you think then Mckeag was being ambitious? if it had paid off, maybe. whats your answer by the way ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosstef Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Moving to Villa wouldn´t be an ambitious move. They wont´be in Europe next season and I can´t see them competing for a champ league place in coming years. Man U, Man C, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool will take the top 5 guranteed and it will be up to the remaining the teams to fight for the 6-7th place Europa league spots. Think it would be daft to move from a club that you like and are very popular amongst the fans for a possible chance to play in the Europa league in 2 years time. He can do a lot better than Villa. You don't rate Arsenal, do you? But I get your point. In a season or two we will hopefully be an even better team than Villa if we spend wisely in the transfer windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not sure why Villa's so funny. While he's been in this country, they've finished 6th three times, played in Europe, spent a fortune and just bought a 24m centre forward. Meanwhile he's been here with Kinnear as manager, sack the one who got us promoted, seen us sell everyone we've had an offer for and been relegated. Black and white specs firmly on if you think we look a better career move. Moving to Villa wouldn´t be an ambitious move. They wont´be in Europe next season and I can´t see them competing for a champ league place in coming years. Man U, Man C, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool will take the top 5 guranteed and it will be up to the remaining the teams to fight for the 6-7th place Europa league spots. Think it would be daft to move from a club that you like and are very popular amongst the fans for a possible chance to play in the Europa league in 2 years time. He can do a lot better than Villa. That, and moving to Villa wouldn't help his chances of getting into the national setup in the slightest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridman Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not sure why Villa's so funny. While he's been in this country, they've finished 6th three times, played in Europe, spent a fortune and just bought a 24m centre forward. Meanwhile he's been here with Kinnear as manager, sack the one who got us promoted, seen us sell everyone we've had an offer for and been relegated. Black and white specs firmly on if you think we look a better career move. Moving to Villa wouldn´t be an ambitious move. They wont´be in Europe next season and I can´t see them competing for a champ league place in coming years. Man U, Man C, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool will take the top 5 guranteed and it will be up to the remaining the teams to fight for the 6-7th place Europa league spots. Think it would be daft to move from a club that you like and are very popular amongst the fans for a possible chance to play in the Europa league in 2 years time. He can do a lot better than Villa. That, and moving to Villa wouldn't help his chances of getting into the national setup in the slightest. Yea, just look at Arteta. Being brilliant for Everton doesn´t seem to help him much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. Will also depend on if we can offer him the wage he would want, not sure what he is on now but he will no doubt ask for more to stay which could be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Not sure why Villa's so funny. While he's been in this country, they've finished 6th three times, played in Europe, spent a fortune and just bought a 24m centre forward. Meanwhile he's been here with Kinnear as manager, sack the one who got us promoted, seen us sell everyone we've had an offer for and been relegated. Black and white specs firmly on if you think we look a better career move. Moving to Villa wouldn´t be an ambitious move. They wont´be in Europe next season and I can´t see them competing for a champ league place in coming years. Man U, Man C, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool will take the top 5 guranteed and it will be up to the remaining the teams to fight for the 6-7th place Europa league spots. Think it would be daft to move from a club that you like and are very popular amongst the fans for a possible chance to play in the Europa league in 2 years time. He can do a lot better than Villa. That, and moving to Villa wouldn't help his chances of getting into the national setup in the slightest. Yea, just look at Arteta. Being brilliant for Everton doesn´t seem to help him much. Getting into Spain's midfield is a little bit harder than left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "ambition" has been mentioned a few times in this thread. just wondering from our current position what people see as "showing ambition" ? is it investing the carroll money in the squad or that and any projected profit from this season or do we want ashley to sub the club more baring in mind we'll still owe it to our owner. Maddy back in the day when Mckeag & Co let Willie Mc spend all the Gazza money did you think then Mckeag was being ambitious? if it had paid off, maybe. whats your answer by the way ? All depends if it pays off or not really. But joking aside. I want to see the team improve, then the squad improve by quite a bit with the AC & SKY money in the coffers next summer. I cant put a number in ££££'s on it. For me what would show intent is getting the majority of singings in early so they are there for the 1st day of pre-season & nobody of importance being sold on the last day of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. Will also depend on if we can offer him the wage he would want, not sure what he is on now but he will no doubt ask for more to stay which could be a problem. they'll give him more. whether that will be enough....who knows ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 "ambition" has been mentioned a few times in this thread. just wondering from our current position what people see as "showing ambition" ? is it investing the carroll money in the squad or that and any projected profit from this season or do we want ashley to sub the club more baring in mind we'll still owe it to our owner. Maddy back in the day when Mckeag & Co let Willie Mc spend all the Gazza money did you think then Mckeag was being ambitious? if it had paid off, maybe. whats your answer by the way ? All depends if it pays off or not really. But joking aside. I want to see the team improve, then the squad improve by quite a bit with the AC & SKY money in the coffers next summer. I cant put a number in ££££'s on it. For me what would show intent is getting the majority of singings in early so they are there for the 1st day of pre-season & nobody of importance being sold on the last day of the window. certainly would. is there a raise to the sky money next season. rumours are we expect to just about break even this season. (carroll money aside) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 As has been mentioned, if anything reading the full interview makes me feel slightly better. Interesting to note that he considers 44 points as the level required for safety this year. The reference to broken promises isn't good though. Strong words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Everton are another club with zero ambition so that's a crap example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. So the club needs to start making moves. We don't have to wait until the summer to sign players, lets get cracking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 As has been mentioned, if anything reading the full interview makes me feel slightly better. Interesting to note that he considers 44 points as the level required for safety this year. The reference to broken promises isn't good though. sure barton mentioned 42. wonder what the broken promises are ?. can't see them being softer bog roll in the netty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 This year we will be operating off parachute payment cash iirc, this summer coming we get our hands back on the real loot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 That interview makes things seem a little better. When you see quotes plucked and made into stories like that it takes away the larger context of a whole interview. He says the money has been promised to be spent, whether that's a personal promise or the same hollow promises we've been given is unclear though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 We need to get to 41pts asap then start offering him talks for a new deal, try and quickly get this and barton's through, if either start rejecting we start listening to offers and get good money for them and rebuild the entire team around Tiote & HBA. you know fine well he'd not sign till he sees the types of player we bring in. So the club needs to start making moves. We don't have to wait until the summer to sign players, lets get cracking. true we don't have to but it's not really in the selling clubs interest to cut out others by doing business this early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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