Cajun Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Melt down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Enrique for himself in this case I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? The fact that Routledge backed him up so quickly suggests the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? The fact that Routledge backed him up so quickly suggests the former. Nothing to do with the fact the club are trying to sell Routledge.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? The fact that Routledge backed him up so quickly suggests the former. As mentioned before, it's not like he doesn't have a reason to be bitter is it? (Routledge). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Enrique for himself in this case I think I know the daughter of one the club's scouts. He says the atmosphere under Hughton had been the best since Bobby, bar none. It was superb working at the club, everyone was happy and everyone got along. The loss of Hughton - not actually Pardew especially, but the loss of Hughton - he claims devastated that atmosphere, so much so that after about 10 years working for the club he's going to join Hughton at Birmingham if officially approached. He says the atmosphere is ruined, and the players aren't happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If it's ambition and European football he wants, why doesn't he consider the likes of Sevilla, Valencia or Villarreal? Guessing the fact they'd not offer him the wages he's on is a factor like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I just wish players would keep this shit in house. Barton, Jose...they must think we're the only non top 6 club who sells if a big offer comes in. Bet they weren't whinging last year when they were picking up £5m between them in the Championship. i HAVE to disagree with you on this. rather than them thinking we're the only non top 6 club who sells if a big offer comes in, do you think it's possible that they can see the people running the club for what they are? lying cheapskates. we do absolutely everything on the cheap now and the list of excuses including bore holes and tarmac is just a farce. they'll continue to do everything on the cheap until the day ashley leaves. this summer was the chance for the change in emphasis, it's not going to happen. this financial stuff will not go away, they'll just spin it and spin it and spin it. interesting that enrique mentions it not being the fault of carroll or nolan that they left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Thanks for everything Jose, on and off the pitch.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20110724/defender-dummett-heading-stateside_2281670_2400752 I wasn't expecting it at all, I'd got a knock in the first game in Holland, missed the second game and was looking forward to playing in the third and final game - but now I'm going to America. Whats' funny? Just amused me because IMO it's clearly linked to all this about Enrique in some way. The player himself sounds a bit baffled and it's not like he's even been free from injury himself. Aye, clearly because of Enrique and not that we have just four fit defenders in America. I mean I think Enrique is probably now injured too - Ryder was saying he was told the intention was to play him for just 20mins last night - and that's what has prompted this outburst. We've not invested in the squad. All just speculation of course, not saying it's definitely the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Enrique for himself in this case I think I know the daughter of one the club's scouts. He says the atmosphere under Hughton had been the best since Bobby, bar none. It was superb working at the club, everyone was happy and everyone got along. The loss of Hughton - not actually Pardew especially, but the loss of Hughton - he claims devastated that atmosphere, so much so that after about 10 years working for the club he's going to join Hughton at Birmingham if officially approached. He says the atmosphere is ruined, and the players aren't happy. I think this will cause us to struggle this year. Genuinely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's of no shock that a player who is not wanted by the club would agree. Routledge is bound to jump on the bandwagon. The problem is how long before Colo and Tiote follow suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 After re-reading his first line I wouldn't be surprised if the club are touting Tiote etc around. They were blatantly doing that to Carroll in January and perhaps MA views this as the means to get his loan back. Certainly wouldn't surprise me. They were basically doing that anyway with all the statements along the lines of "oh i hope no one comes in for tiote, we'll have a hard time keeping him if they do." and all that nonsense. Pardews next interview on this will be interesting if someone picks him up directly on Enriques claim about wages which they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 It's really alarming how so many of our players are disillusioned with things yet people keep defending the hierarchy. If it was one player I wouldn't worry about it but it's Barton, Routledge, Enrique and of course Nolan before he left. It's worrying. I'm concerned what team morale is really like at the moment as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 If it's ambition and European football he wants, why doesn't he consider the likes of Sevilla, Valencia or Villarreal? Guessing the fact they'd not offer him the wages he's on is a factor like Are you even reading what he's tweeted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I am a bit amused by the over reaction. I mean, I am surprised that a few one here still believe he would stay before the outburst. I know he must be leaving so the outburst is kinda expected, just why do it on twitter? Is it that hard to just submit a request internally? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Enrique for himself in this case I think I know the daughter of one the club's scouts. He says the atmosphere under Hughton had been the best since Bobby, bar none. It was superb working at the club, everyone was happy and everyone got along. The loss of Hughton - not actually Pardew especially, but the loss of Hughton - he claims devastated that atmosphere, so much so that after about 10 years working for the club he's going to join Hughton at Birmingham if officially approached. He says the atmosphere is ruined, and the players aren't happy. Have to say, I could believe that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I just wish players would keep this shit in house. Barton, Jose...they must think we're the only non top 6 club who sells if a big offer comes in. Bet they weren't whinging last year when they were picking up £5m between them in the Championship. i HAVE to disagree with you on this. rather than them thinking we're the only non top 6 club who sells if a big offer comes in, do you think it's possible that they can see the people running the club for what they are? lying cheapskates. we do absolutely everything on the cheap now and the list of excuses including bore holes and tarmac is just a farce. they'll continue to do everything on the cheap until the day ashley leaves. this summer was the chance for the change in emphasis, it's not going to happen. this financial stuff will not go away, they'll just spin it and spin it and spin it. interesting that enrique mentions it not being the fault of carroll or nolan that they left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Enrique for himself in this case I think I know the daughter of one the club's scouts. He says the atmosphere under Hughton had been the best since Bobby, bar none. It was superb working at the club, everyone was happy and everyone got along. The loss of Hughton - not actually Pardew especially, but the loss of Hughton - he claims devastated that atmosphere, so much so that after about 10 years working for the club he's going to join Hughton at Birmingham if officially approached. He says the atmosphere is ruined, and the players aren't happy. I think this will cause us to struggle this year. Genuinely. I wouldn't go that far like, but our history with injuries isn't exactly the best... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Dave, if its not too much to ask I'd like to control my ignore list by myself. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Dave, if its not too much to ask I'd like to control my ignore list by myself. Thanks. Fair comment, apologies. Went into a bit of a radge earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Apparently giving the guy the same deal is now an 'incredible offer', eh Pardew? This fucker is going down in my estimation day by day. Fuck off Ashley, fuck off llambias, fuck off "pardy". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Alot of people thought there may be a collapse in team spirit after losing Nolan, is this the start of it? Or just Enrique speaking out for himself? Enrique for himself in this case I think I know the daughter of one the club's scouts. He says the atmosphere under Hughton had been the best since Bobby, bar none. It was superb working at the club, everyone was happy and everyone got along. The loss of Hughton - not actually Pardew especially, but the loss of Hughton - he claims devastated that atmosphere, so much so that after about 10 years working for the club he's going to join Hughton at Birmingham if officially approached. He says the atmosphere is ruined, and the players aren't happy. I think this will cause us to struggle this year. Genuinely. I wouldn't go that far like, but our history with injuries isn't exactly the best... My gut feel is that the going could get tough for the club this year. We've signed players with very patchy injury records (obv. Cabaye aside) and we've got a very small squad. Add to that morale potentially being down, Pardew's chat getting found out within the next few months and the fact we're looking to play a new system means I think all the talk of top ten is hugely ambitious. Not wanting to piss on anyone's parade or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 I just wish players would keep this s*** in house. Barton, Jose...they must think we're the only non top 6 club who sells if a big offer comes in. Bet they weren't whinging last year when they were picking up £5m between them in the Championship. I think the players do make an effort to keep things inhouse. There have been many arguments between the players and Ashley/Llambias and most stuff stays in house. Nolan always said this was important to give the club an appearance of stability. The trouble is this helps the hierarchy because it is the players who get accused of a lack of loyalty or being greedy when they decide to move on. The sale of Carroll was the breaking point because I believe he did not want to leave and the other players knew that as well. When you have players like Given, Nolan and Jose who have been very happy at the club wanting to leave because they are not happy with what's going on, then they can't all be wrong. The circumstances may differ but we only ever hear one side of the story. Excellent post. Far more articulate than my posts on the same subject and exactly what I was thinking. Since when did Nolan want to go because he wasn't happy? Nolan left because we wouldn't offer him the contract he wanted, a contract that we'd have been utter morons to offer. Has he ever said that? Do you believe anything PR-dew says? Yes, he (Nolan) said he wanted a longer contract than we would offer. Don't recall seeing the quotes, can you re-post? cheers. Anything Nolan's said will be in his thread, 245 pages so I'm not going to search through sorry. Anyway I'm pretty sure the £60k a week 5 year contract had plenty to do with him going to West Ham.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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