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The main point though is that City did win and did prove that the PL's APT rules were illegal. They didn't need to win on all the points put forward and there is clear position. APT rules are in themselves allowable and would be a sensible thing for the PL to have The PL APT rules are structured in a way that makes them illegal. This gives City 2 things - 1 resolution that they have been disadvantaged by illegal rules and more importantly (2) they have had an insight to how the courts view various aspects which will feed into their defence for the 115 charges. From a PL view they have lost, yes they could introduce legally compliant rules quite easily if they were starting from scratch but unwinding what they have let build is going to prove very costly, if not impossible. They can spin it however they like, but the overall ruling is that their rule is illegal.

So we send the PL to 'mediate' between Russia and Ukraine

The magnificent 7 are those fighting against the current APT rules are they not? You bring in the likes of Brighton and Arsenal who would be against hanging the rules to bring in shareholder loans but there has to be a point where the mag 7 are happy to retain APT if shareholder loans are brought into PSR calculations but allowable losses are increased to allow for this. In that scenario Liverpool, Chelsea, ManU would likely get on board as they see a positive outcome from that without it opening the floodgates on the likes of us and City. If Spurs are looking at investment it would likely suit them. So I can see support for change, the sticking point would be how do you remedy the past - if you say the rules were the rules (even if illegal) then hello compensation claims, if you try and remedy that by retrospectively putting in shl you get all the problems that brings. The cleanest approach is to get rid of PSR and APT altogether with an agreement that no claims can be brought and something like a spending cap and ability to service debt brought in to replace it.

Reading the Samuel article I don’t see how the rules can/will be changed. There’s too much potential impact/legal battles around what would have happened if the interest was in the calcs 2,3,4 years ago. They have to change /go, I just don’t see how they change

Surely APT and PSR are only here to stay if the shareholder loans is brought into its scope. if that is too unpalatable for the premier league to do then PSR may well go the at of the dodo and they’ll just rely on the UEFA rules doing its job for them, maybe with a spending cap. or alternatively they change the rules to accommodate shareholder loans but raise the PSR losses to allow the change to happen with no detrimental impact this season on those with big loans. A scenario of course that benefits us

You could use average wage or I'm sure there is a transfer fee inflation calculation out there somewhere to use as a base. The basic point is that the sponsorships City/Chelsea etc had in place before they became established were higher than we are allowed compared to the rest of the league at that point and that should be the benchmark

I'd have thought a true FMV comparison would be to look at the sponsorships City/Chelsea etc got when they were at a similar stage of development and then adjust for inflation. Sponsors will pay a premium for a 6th place team who are obviously going to challenge top 3 in the near future and have massive exposure so you have to take potential into acocunt

So do the Premier League backdate the interest charges in the PSR calcs or compensate clubs who can demonstrate a loss from having to comply with the FMV/APT rules? I don't see how you can just say 'fair cop gov' and only look to change the rules going forward.

The way Wimbledon approached it meant this was basically an early season pre season friendly addon to get some minutes in legs

Bruno give him a DHGate special?

3 games 3 clean sheets so far this season for our Greek God

The backheel I'm with you on, but the role of a keeper has changed now to be both a custodian of the net and also a starting block for possession. We're in a transition period now where keepers are good of one or the other, give it 5 more years and all keepers will be ball players unless the whole way of playing reverts back to 4-4-2 direct playing (wouldn't be a bad thing imo!)

Got to start Tonali, Bruno and Big Joe in the middle if we’re sticking to 433. little Joe on the left, barnes on the right.

Pope Trips/Tino Schar Burn Hall/Kelly Tonali Bruno Big Joe Barnes Isak Little Joe

The International break technically ends on the 15th, agree we won't play that week but it isn't in the international calendar

Is there a cut off for when they have to be able to fulfil the fixture before we get a bye? Looks to me that the only week they don't have a midweek fixture before the next round is the week of the 14th October which is between the internationals and the first premier league game back. We're playing a weakened team then

Just on the first part, waiting until the new year would be the worst thing they powers that be can do. its either he’s the man to take us forward or they have serious doubts. If the latter then why give Eddie another transfer window? For me it was either part ways at the end of last season or Howe has the full season with a full expectation of being in charge come August 25. Everyone involved is fighting a losing battle if the position is somewhere in between

Tbf pretty much all managers are in their own way. Pep can’t dominate europe like Ancelotti has, Jose couldn’t sustain a level past 3 years, Wenger couldn’t win successive premier leagues or a European trophy. i have a feeling that Eddies strength is in being a catalyst and having a massive short term impact but is someone who will struggle to take a second evolutionary leap with us. 2022/2023 will be his peak league year I reckon, but he also has a cup win in him this year or next. and there is no shame in that at all, it will be a spell of complete success if that is all it is but we will get to a stage (pretty soon) where we need a different type of manager

1 minute 25 that would have been 15 seconds if you remove the fucks

Get the win and it’s a real top of the table clash next weekend, genuine chance of ending September top of the league

But we didn't buy him to flip him in 18 months, so if that had been the outcome the strategy that allowed us to buy him was ultimately flawed.

But then Keegan may have never happened so it all worked out in the end

The point is it’s rule bending and not breaking. we could argue spirit of the rules as well as the letter but they are playing dirty bit ultimately fair. it will catch up with them though, only so many times you can do it before running out of road

With at least one of the top 2 guaranteed to drop points next weekend

ditto barnes when he comes on at 75mins and creates 5x as many chances as Murphy has