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Right about what? It doesn't take a genius to be right about Hatem Ben Arfa. He's a (sometimes) brilliant right winger who consistently takes the easy route in his career. And it's unfortunately led him to two appalling defensively-minded managers who aren't going to let him do his thing.

He's not any sort of target. I love watching him play and I'd certainly prefer him to be starting for NUFC than the rubbish actually in the side. Just pointing out the huge contrast between his situation and his (at one time vaguely realistic) stated ambition.

I'd say the one desperate for an argument is the one still arguing he's something he's quite clearly not.

He's a vastly overrated football manager. I've said it more than once.

Rob Elliot is an absolute world away from being a mediocre PL keeper. Asmir Begovic is a mediocre PL keeper. Elliot's just crap.

Yeah, of course he does. He's below Alan Pardew with a better team.

When have they been good though? They've scraped a few points here and there they should have.

Everton's best squad in years and still bottom half. Martinez not looking quite so much of an 'improvement', now.

You never know, man. Hull City might sack Brewce and the new manager could pick him. Watch out Ronaldo and Messi.

He isn't, but that was a nice goal. He is. Not watching this game, but haven't really thought much of him this season when I've seen him and for Galatasary and the Ivory Coast before and during the summer he never impressed. He got the odd goal but I thought he was going to leave Gala for the MLS or something along those lines tbh. In other words you don't know much of what you're talking about. Forgot Drogba is included in that magic trio you like so much with Ancelotti and Lampard. Listen, Drogba is a shadow of the player he was, but it's a bit weird how you have it in for him while persistently championing cheats.

I'm sorry but Chris Hughton convincing Hatem Ben Arfa to join a newly promoted NE team is about as believable as me convincing Kelly Brook to come to my house and scrub the bathroom.

He isn't, but that was a nice goal. He is. Not watching this game, but haven't really thought much of him this season when I've seen him and for Galatasary and the Ivory Coast before and during the summer he never impressed. He got the odd goal but I thought he was going to leave Gala for the MLS or something along those lines tbh. In other words you don't know much of what you're talking about.

Is Drogba the rare African who's actually younger than he claims? Seems a bit suspect, like: Best years all came after '25' and here he is looking brilliant in the PL at '36'.

Bit of a joke, like. He's 9 years younger and more naturally talented than Frank Lampard. Look at where their respective careers are now. That's the difference having a set of balls makes.

If the second reason to persevere with a player is that he's still got the potential to improve at 22, the writing's pretty much on the wall.

Can we put the definitions of both 'average' and 'medicore' on the forum banner, please.

A 22-year-old with the potential to improve. Brave assertion there, like.

Sammy was great but our goalscorer and HT sacrificial lamb you'd rather not talk about? I despair.

Most games a professional goalkeeper makes decent stops. What planet do you live on, man?

He does all of what he's told, all of the time. There's nothing more to it than that.

We'll be 11th this time tomorrow and 16th by the end of December.

His confidence will be shot to pieces behind utter shit like Alsoran and Sammy in the pecking order.

I'm starting to think Ian genuinely can't be judged by the standards of normal people with reasonable intelligence.

I don't know what's more boring, that performance or the responses on here. As if anyone's vaguely surprised that we're shit.

2 players who should've started coming on when we're losing, just like Saturday.