Steve McClaren

[sbnufc]

The standout candidate is obviously Rafa and he would immediately command the player's respect.  However, I can't imagine for one minute that they would even try or that he would be interested with where we are at the moment.  The board would have to concede a lot of power to him - are they prepared to admit that the model is not working or do they intend to stick to it regardless?

 

I don't see candidates such as Moyes or Rodgers having enough of an immediate impact to keep us up and I think Moyes is perceived as a failure so again, would our foreign players have much respect for him.

 

It would not make sense to go for a foreign manager with no experience of the Premier League at this stage because there is no time to adapt.

 

Redknapp has taken clubs down before so he is no guarantee either of safety either.

 

The only one I would have some sort of confidence in who would rally players and fans alike would be Rafa - but as I said, I don't think our lot would consider him.

 

The thing is all these managers want to work in the Premier League but there are very few jobs available so some of them will have to make some sort of concession if they want such a job.  Likewise NUFC but will we do that?

 

 

edit: Never mind, I thought you were referring to the Pete Graves quote where he said they're speaking to 2/3 and there's one standout.  Cause y'know.. they won't be speaking to Rafa

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[TRon]

The standout candidate is obviously Rafa and he would immediately command the player's respect.  However, I can't imagine for one minute that they would even try or that he would be interested with where we are at the moment.  The board would have to concede a lot of power to him - are they prepared to admit that the model is not working or do they intend to stick to it regardless?

 

I don't see candidates such as Moyes or Rodgers having enough of an immediate impact to keep us up and I think Moyes is perceived as a failure so again, would our foreign players have much respect for him.

 

It would not make sense to go for a foreign manager with no experience of the Premier League at this stage because there is no time to adapt.

 

Redknapp has taken clubs down before so he is no guarantee either of safety either.

 

The only one I would have some sort of confidence in who would rally players and fans alike would be Rafa - but as I said, I don't think our lot would consider him.

 

The thing is all these managers want to work in the Premier League but there are very few jobs available so some of them will have to make some sort of concession if they want such a job.  Likewise NUFC but will we do that?

 

 

 

We are in line to lose £80m if we go down. It's not beyond the realms of possibility Ashley would panic and offer whatever it takes to get Rafa through the door even in a short term deal to the end of the season. The question is, would Rafa want to gamble his reputation even for a stupid figure?

[St1pe]

I sometimes forget how much contempt the club has for its fan base until something like this happens. We're all just left in the lurch for days wondering what's happening, desperate for some sort of idea of what's going on and they couldn't give a shit.

[joeyt]

I also understand there is ONE standout candidate

Pearson or Sherwood  :lol:

 

Paul Clement

[High Five o]

I sometimes forget how much contempt the club has for its fan base until something like this happens. We're all just left in the lurch for days wondering what's happening, desperate for some sort of idea of what's going on and they couldn't give a shit.

 

In this case its hard for the club to do anything really.

If they would stick with him, i am sure they would have denied all the rumors in the news.

 

If they are looking for a replacement, they can not really go out saying they will sack Steeeve if they get the right person in.

Then they fail as usual getting their man and have to stick with a manager that knows he is not wanted.

[High Five o]

What pisses me off is that they surely have been seeing where this is going, our lack of moral and shit form.

They should have started sounding out managers a month a go. Now if they are ready to let him go they should have called up their best candidate and told him he get the gig.

 

But no, we wait until its to late, then start treading the water.

[St1pe]

I sometimes forget how much contempt the club has for its fan base until something like this happens. We're all just left in the lurch for days wondering what's happening, desperate for some sort of idea of what's going on and they couldn't give a s***.

 

In this case its hard for the club to do anything really.

If they would stick with him, i am sure they would have denied all the rumors in the news.

 

If they are looking for a replacement, they can not really go out saying they will sack Steeeve if they get the right person in.

Then they fail as usual getting their man and have to stick with a manager that knows he is not wanted.

 

I do see your point. The problem is everyone knows what's going on without actually being informed by it. It's another reason why this slow approach they have to everything is completely inept.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

What pisses me off is that they surely have been seeing where this is going, our lack of moral and shit form.

They should have started sounding out managers a month a go. Now if they are ready to let him go they should have called up their best candidate and told him he get the gig.

 

But no, we wait until its to late, then start treading the water.

 

This is the real problem. At the end of the day everything comes down to the fact that Ashley has installed completely unsuitable people in positions of power at the club. It's insane to think Lee Charnley will be able to handle these decisions.

[Dr Venkman]

Having someone in charge that will concede absolutely everything to them is their modus operandi, though. If they change managers they have to go through the whole process of 'vetting' people again, which involves finding out who's got self respect and who hasn't. It's not like a club with ambition where you just offer the best candidate the job and shake hands.

[Paully]

if Rafa wants the job and we don’t appoint him then they all want set on fire! They deserve that anyway!

[Shearergol]

Are we to believe that Bournemouth was the straw that broke the camels back, not Chelsea?

[gdm]

Apparently Motson (i know) was on 5live saying he had been led to believe Rafa was lined up for the job. I wasn't listening so have no idea. It's obvs bollocks, fuck it all.

 

Here it's here. Decent discussion in first few mins

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03lv82t?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_5_live_sports_extra&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=radio_and_music

[TRon]

Having someone in charge that will concede absolutely everything to them is their modus operandi, though. If they change managers they have to go through the whole process of 'vetting' people again, which involves finding out who's got self respect and who hasn't. It's not like a club with ambition where you just offer the best candidate the job and shake hands.

 

But it blatantly hasn't worked for the last few years, if we don't know how to appoint a proper footballing MD, then the next best thing would probably be to hire a highly rated manager and let him do the job. At some point even Ashley must surely realise this?

[Mick]

Are we to believe that Bournemouth was the straw that broke the camels back, not Chelsea?

 

Everything suggests that it was Bournemouth.

[thomas]

i don't care how the camel got crippled so long as it was.

[Wullie]

Having someone in charge that will concede absolutely everything to them is their modus operandi, though. If they change managers they have to go through the whole process of 'vetting' people again, which involves finding out who's got self respect and who hasn't. It's not like a club with ambition where you just offer the best candidate the job and shake hands.

 

But it blatantly hasn't worked for the last few years, if we don't know how to appoint a proper footballing MD, then the next best thing would probably be to hire a highly rated manager and let him do the job. At some point even Ashley must surely realise this?

 

 

It has worked perfectly for the last few years, just not this time.

[ikri]

It all comes down to Charnley, he always appears to be terrified of making decisions that might put him into conflict with people.  He can't bring himself to say no to lasagne-face when he wants the job, then he can't face sacking the lunatic when it's clear that everything is falling apart under his leadership.  He doesn't want to shift McClaren because he'll have to sack him, plus he essentially wasted 18 months and £80 million on his decision to firstly wait for McClaren then to back him even when things failed to improve so Charnley's own decision-making has to come under extreme scrutiny by Ashley.  Ashley may be an absentee landlord but even he might notice that his chosen property manager is currently sat in the living room playing with matches whilst the building is burning.

 

Hell, Charnley was probably even hesitant about signing a new centre-half because it might mean him telling the club captain that he's being replaced.

[Elma]

Having someone in charge that will concede absolutely everything to them is their modus operandi, though. If they change managers they have to go through the whole process of 'vetting' people again, which involves finding out who's got self respect and who hasn't. It's not like a club with ambition where you just offer the best candidate the job and shake hands.

 

But it blatantly hasn't worked for the last few years, if we don't know how to appoint a proper footballing MD, then the next best thing would probably be to hire a highly rated manager and let him do the job. At some point even Ashley must surely realise this?

 

Agree - put in a good knowledgeable MD and the rest will follow. We wouldn't then have to tolerate weak managerial appointments and Carr would have been out the door long ago. Ashley should know by now that spending a few million on the right MD and manager, and letting the manager have more of a say on players (ins and outs) would save a load of money wrongly invested?

 

However much evidence is thrown at him it seems he still wants to be surrounded by 'yes' men no matter how much it's costing him (the club).

 

It's truly bizarre - he's probably just doing it out of stubbornness now.

[merlin]

 

 

It's sensible to have someone already lined up before sacking. No need to be in a hurry now and then panic for the next 2-3 weeks to appoint someone.

 

The sensible thing would have been to have somebody lined up after the Chelsea game, our lot not panicking is what got us into the current situation.  It's about time the pricks did panic because they're s*** at what they do when they have time to think.  Maybe they can come up with a decent solution if they don't think about it.

 

They're as thick as pig s*** and every decision they come to makes them look even thicker.  If these morons get something right it will be by accident.

You are using far too much logic Mick - these guys are beyond humour and contempt...the very fact that Charnley is running the show tells you all you need to know and to have Moncur involved is pathetic..as for Carr, he is on the biggest jolly of his life making lots of personally beneficial contacts in France.....its pathetic, they are floundering around like kids in the deep end.

[steve_69]

Why is tha standout candidate obviously Rafa? Where have you been hiding for the past 8-9 years?

The standout candidate will be someone like Redkapp, Pearson or Steve Evans. Whatever decision we make will be the wrong one or at a push, the right one (sacking McLarnon) followed by the wrong one. That's how these dickheads operate

[Beren]

Pete Graves:

 

Newcastle United Latest: Steve McClaren remains the Head Coach of Newcastle United and is taking training today as normal. Despite that his future is far from certain. It's my understanding that following yesterday's emergency board meeting between Lee Charnley, Graham Carr and Bob Moncur the club are now considering a short list of potential replacements. I also understand there is a long list of people who have shown an interest in the position should it become vacant, but Newcastle United are only considering 2/3 candidates seriously. I also understand there is ONE standout candidate.

I believe that if Newcastle United receive enough encouragement that an adequate replacement is available then they will look to relieve Steve McClaren of his duties. However, until this replacement is secured, McClaren will continue to look after the first team, as the club look to avoid a repeat of last season when Alan Pardew was allowed to depart the club without a replacement being available.

I expect the next 48 hours to be critical for the future of both Steve McClaren and Newcastle United. There is still a possibility that McClaren will be in charge for Monday's trip to Leicester City, but I expect there to be a new Head Coach in the frame by then.

 

The last time there was a standout candidate it was effing mcclaren. What is standout to anyone with the slightest understanding of anything is entirely different to this bunch of incompetent yes men. They'll stick with the fool or get someone equally inept.

 

Or prove me entirely wrong and get an exceptional manager in, not some journeyman who will divide the fanbase again.

 

#wait

[nufcjmc]

Are we to believe that Bournemouth was the straw that broke the camels back, not Chelsea?

 

Everything suggests that it was Bournemouth.

 

Agreed, its probably easier to talk your way out of how bad things are when you are off the back of a bad defeat away from home to a side in a rich side of form particularly if his excuse/belief was he will pick up the needed wins from home. However following another collapse and poor performance at home on top of fan pressure and negative media that was more likely the deer in headlights moment the board needed to make them do nothing but put their heads in the sand.

[High Five o]

As much as i want Rafa in, i can not see it happening.

 

He would steamroll the whole senior managment team in a week and get hounded out of the city by Ashley riding on Charnley back, naked.

[timeEd32]

 

As much as i want Rafa in, i can not see it happening.

 

He would steamroll the whole senior managment team in a week and get hounded out of the city by Ashley riding on Charnley back, naked.

 

Or he'd keep us up and show Ashley what a proper manager could accomplish. It's the hope that kills.