Steve McClaren

[Wallsendmag]

  On 28/11/2015 at 01:55, mrmojorisin75 said:

i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

Biggest budget in the league, highest gates, it's hardly any great acheivement to get them to the top of the league. Any idiot should be able to get then promoted. Staggering that we appointed a clown who couldn't even get them into the playoffs (after he'd already turned us down twice as well).

[mrmojorisin75]

  On 28/11/2015 at 06:29, Wallsendmag said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

Biggest budget in the league, highest gates, it's hardly any great acheivement to get them to the top of the league. Any idiot should be able to get then promoted. Staggering that we appointed a clown who couldn't even get them into the playoffs (after he'd already turned us down twice as well).

I had no idea about the resources he'd had like but it's just another example of a coach we could all have potentially got behind. I mean if you go for potential and there's a rocky start I'm sure we'd all be up for giving him time, but with McClaren we know his history and without decent investment it's not getting much better is it?

[Wallsendmag]

  On 28/11/2015 at 07:02, mrmojorisin75 said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

Biggest budget in the league, highest gates, it's hardly any great acheivement to get them to the top of the league. Any idiot should be able to get then promoted. Staggering that we appointed a clown who couldn't even get them into the playoffs (after he'd already turned us down twice as well).

I had no idea about the resources he'd had like but it's just another example of a coach we could all have potentially got behind. I mean if you go for potential and there's a rocky start I'm sure we'd all be up for giving him time, but with McClaren we know his history and without decent investment it's not getting much better is it?

 

Even with decent investment I can't see it getting much better. The club is rotten from top to bottom, a losers mentality runs right through it. We can spend as much money as we like but if you have the wrong people in charge of buying the wrong players who are coached by the wrong manager it's going to be relegation battles year in, year out until we finally drop. I think this will be the season that happens.

 

The whole ethos of the club needs changed but sadly that isn't going to happen until Ashley sells up.

[Gallowgate Toon]

  On 28/11/2015 at 01:55, mrmojorisin75 said:

i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

[mrmojorisin75]

  On 28/11/2015 at 08:14, Gallowgate Toon said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page.

[Gallowgate Toon]

  On 28/11/2015 at 08:21, mrmojorisin75 said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page.

 

What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for.

[mrmojorisin75]

  On 28/11/2015 at 08:31, Gallowgate Toon said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page.

 

What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for.

Well they've both taken over clubs that ended the season poorly and both been given decent investment and we're rooted at the bottom of the league. For a start.

 

Granted we were in worse shape, much worse, but my point was made later that we could have gone for a young manager full of potential and went for McClaren.

 

I'd rather have taken a chance on Clement basically, and there's now a chance they'll be swapping divisions

[Gallowgate Toon]

  On 28/11/2015 at 08:34, mrmojorisin75 said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page.

 

What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for.

Well they've both taken over clubs that ended the season poorly and both been given decent investment and we're rooted at the bottom of the league. For a start.

 

Granted we were in worse shape, much worse, but my point was made later that we could have gone for a young manager full of potential and went for McClaren.

 

I'd rather have taken a chance on Clement basically, and there's now a chance they'll be swapping divisions

 

I couldn't think of a worse job for a bloke with no management experience or any managerial reputation to start with. This lot need a great man manager, more than anything else, and they tend to come with experience.

 

Derby built a great core, like. They suffered from injuries, so I heard, and just needed to get some back and add a bit extra to push on.

[mrmojorisin75]

  On 28/11/2015 at 08:41, Gallowgate Toon said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page.

 

What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for.

Well they've both taken over clubs that ended the season poorly and both been given decent investment and we're rooted at the bottom of the league. For a start.

 

Granted we were in worse shape, much worse, but my point was made later that we could have gone for a young manager full of potential and went for McClaren.

 

I'd rather have taken a chance on Clement basically, and there's now a chance they'll be swapping divisions

 

I couldn't think of a worse job for a bloke with no management experience or any managerial reputation to start with. This lot need a great man manager, more than anything else, and they tend to come with experience.

 

Derby built a great core, like. They suffered from injuries, so I heard, and just needed to get some back and add a bit extra to push on.

 

fair enough if you think like that, but conversely shouldn't a manager with mcclaren's experience have managed to make some discernible improvements by now?  i mean yeah our squad is shit but even pardew managed to wring some results out of them from time to time

 

 

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  On 28/11/2015 at 08:47, mrmojorisin75 said:

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i see clement took derby to the top of the table last night

 

And where were Derby this time last year?

What's your point? I think I've already said they were top or thereabouts on this very page.

 

What was your point? The bloke is doing exactly the same as what our current manager was doing, this time last year, but with more funds. Just seems a weird stick to beat him with, if that's what you were going for.

Well they've both taken over clubs that ended the season poorly and both been given decent investment and we're rooted at the bottom of the league. For a start.

 

Granted we were in worse shape, much worse, but my point was made later that we could have gone for a young manager full of potential and went for McClaren.

 

I'd rather have taken a chance on Clement basically, and there's now a chance they'll be swapping divisions

 

I couldn't think of a worse job for a bloke with no management experience or any managerial reputation to start with. This lot need a great man manager, more than anything else, and they tend to come with experience.

 

Derby built a great core, like. They suffered from injuries, so I heard, and just needed to get some back and add a bit extra to push on.

 

fair enough if you think like that, but conversely shouldn't a manager with mcclaren's experience have managed to make some discernible improvements by now?  i mean yeah our squad is s*** but even pardew managed to wring some results out of them from time to time

 

 

 

McClaren isn't the right bloke for this particular job either, like. But I think he's not got the results because he's not tried to be negative. Pardew only ever got results when he realised he couldn't get us playing properly so just went defend and counter. McClaren, to me, has seemed to try and not be like that, we keep more possession and try to build play more because he has an idea for the future. Do I think he'd be wise to disband that? Yeah, but I don't blame him for not.

[mrmojorisin75]

[Thomson Mouse]

I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment 

[mrmojorisin75]

  On 28/11/2015 at 11:26, Thomson Mouse said:

I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely fucking nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the shit players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

  On 28/11/2015 at 11:26, Thomson Mouse said:

I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment 

 

I think so too, problem is everything at the club is so shit that he might never break through and himself a chance to succeed.

 

He doesn't seem to be a massively effective motivator (at least not of these players) and we don't seem to be able to grind our way to a few results, so getting through this period of dire confidence is going to be extremely hard for him.

[Thomson Mouse]

  On 28/11/2015 at 12:12, Ian W said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment 

 

I think so too, problem is everything at the club is so s*** that he might never break through and himself a chance to succeed.

 

He doesn't seem to be a massively effective motivator (at least not of these players) and we don't seem to be able to grind our way to a few results, so getting through this period of dire confidence is going to be extremely hard for him.

 

Pretty much. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's no the next Keegan but I reckon he's a lot better than this

[Thomson Mouse]

  On 28/11/2015 at 12:06, mrmojorisin75 said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

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  On 28/11/2015 at 12:50, Thomson Mouse said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so fuck? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is shit and that shows.

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  On 28/11/2015 at 12:53, mrmojorisin75 said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is s*** and that shows.

 

I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician

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  On 28/11/2015 at 12:56, Thomson Mouse said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is s*** and that shows.

 

I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician

Was 8-10 games before we won 2nd time iirc but you could see signs of improvement.

 

First time the club had no money to buy their way out so he did on the training pitch.

 

This is the point I'm making.

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  On 28/11/2015 at 12:58, mrmojorisin75 said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is s*** and that shows.

 

I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician

Was 8-10 games before we won 2nd time iirc but you could see signs of improvement.

 

First time the club had no money to buy their way out so he did on the training pitch.

 

This is the point I'm making.

 

But that's no different. We've seen signs of improvement this time, then its disappeared. As for his first time (and I should be able to remember as I was going then), I'm pretty sure we finished 5 bottom and believe me there wasn't a massive improvement in performances as Keegan recognises.

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  On 28/11/2015 at 13:01, Thomson Mouse said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is s*** and that shows.

 

I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician

Was 8-10 games before we won 2nd time iirc but you could see signs of improvement.

 

First time the club had no money to buy their way out so he did on the training pitch.

 

This is the point I'm making.

 

But that's no different. We've seen signs of improvement this time, then its disappeared. As for his first time (and I should be able to remember as I was going then), I'm pretty sure we finished 5 bottom and believe me there wasn't a massive improvement in performances as Keegan recognises.

I've seen almost nothing personally.

 

And regardless of what Keegan said, just like Pardew used to cry about, McClaren is managing a squad of international players.

 

A better manager, like Keegan, gets more out of this squad. That's the start and end of it imo.

[Barnes23]

. McClaren is shit. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

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  On 28/11/2015 at 13:06, mrmojorisin75 said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is s*** and that shows.

 

I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician

Was 8-10 games before we won 2nd time iirc but you could see signs of improvement.

 

First time the club had no money to buy their way out so he did on the training pitch.

 

This is the point I'm making.

 

But that's no different. We've seen signs of improvement this time, then its disappeared. As for his first time (and I should be able to remember as I was going then), I'm pretty sure we finished 5 bottom and believe me there wasn't a massive improvement in performances as Keegan recognises.

I've seen almost nothing personally.

 

And regardless of what Keegan said, just like Pardew used to cry about, McClaren is managing a squad of international players.

 

A better manager, like Keegan, gets more out of this squad. That's the start and end of it imo.

Agree.

[Gallowgate Toon]

  On 28/11/2015 at 13:10, Barnes23 said:

. McClaren is s***. We would be comfortably midtable under a half decent manager.

 

If, by midtable, you mean 10th/11th, I think you're grossly underestimating the deficiencies of the squad. We simply don't have a very good team.

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  On 28/11/2015 at 13:06, mrmojorisin75 said:

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I reckon McClaren could do quite well, I think he massively understimated the scale of what he needed to do though. Shame he's walked into an utterly poisonous environment

Pardew has changed everything at this club. Before he came a manager was expected to make an impact regardless of his backing in the market, or otherwise. Since Pardew managers apparently have a free pass because the squad isn't great.

 

He's shown absolutely f***ing nothing in 6 months in the job, nothing. And I said this about Pardew tbf.

 

And for all the s*** players in the squad he still has Sissoko, Mitrovic, Perez, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba and arguably a couple more who aren't utter garbage.

 

He's coaxed one performance out of them the entire season, one, and we were even the worst team for most of that game.

 

You do realise Keegan has just said this, don't you?

 

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I don’t think he (McClaren) realised how poor the squad was when he took over. Those players remind me of when I took over all those years ago when they were in the second division.

Yes I saw that, so f***? It's proof of what I'm saying, Keegan coached improvement he didn't have to buy it from the off.

 

The squad is poor but it's simply not 2 wins from 13 poor like.

 

The manager is s*** and that shows.

 

I don't know the exact figures, but when he came to start with he survived by the skin of his teeth (which he recognises in the statement) and his second time took a while for his first win. As good as the bloke is, he's not a magician

Was 8-10 games before we won 2nd time iirc but you could see signs of improvement.

 

First time the club had no money to buy their way out so he did on the training pitch.

 

This is the point I'm making.

 

But that's no different. We've seen signs of improvement this time, then its disappeared. As for his first time (and I should be able to remember as I was going then), I'm pretty sure we finished 5 bottom and believe me there wasn't a massive improvement in performances as Keegan recognises.

I've seen almost nothing personally.

 

And regardless of what Keegan said, just like Pardew used to cry about, McClaren is managing a squad of international players.

 

A better manager, like Keegan, gets more out of this squad. That's the start and end of it imo.

 

Most PL sides have internationals, it means nowt, it's not like any of our lot are particularly prominent in good international sides anyway. Simple fact is, this is about the 15th best squad in the league sitting in 17th, a genuinely world class manager/miracle worker would have them in 12th at best.