Steve McClaren

[BrettNUFC]

It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples.

 

Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. 

 

Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want.

Not according to the poll on here, 54 % wants to be relegated

 

We've been relegated recently, bounced back with ease and now ended up in exactly the same position except with foreigners who seemingly now don't care rather than overpaid british players who couldn't really be arsed. Yes, Ashley is the biggest problem of all and his on going managerial appointments are fucking tragic but how many relegations should we suffer?

 

If we go down, we might not runaway with the championship again and if we do go down, and Ashley stays, do we then want another relegation to league 1 to see if that makes him sell the club? I personally just don't think wishing the worst on us is the way forward in sheer hope Ashley eventually caves in.

[TRon]

Yeah, you're probably right with the ex player thing. Whilst I stuck up for McClaren in the summer, it was the Vieira link that really got me excited.

 

Oh yeah without a doubt, I think everyone was jumping when the Vieira talk was in the air. As for McClaren I tried to give him a chance based on the positive views from Derby forums, but my initial impression of him being a boring soft old fart seems to have been the correct one. If he stays we're going down.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples.

 

Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. 

 

Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want.

Not according to the poll on here, 54 % wants to be relegated

 

We've been relegated recently, bounced back with ease and now ended up in exactly the same position except with foreigners who seemingly now don't care rather than overpaid british players who couldn't really be arsed. Yes, Ashley is the biggest problem of all and his on going managerial appointments are fucking tragic but how many relegations should we suffer?

 

If we go down, we might not runaway with the championship again and if we do go down, and Ashley stays, do we then want another relegation to league 1 to see if that makes him sell the club? I personally just don't think wishing the worst on us is the way forward in sheer hope Ashley eventually caves in.

 

We would need to be down to League 1 at least, if not lower.

 

Basically just giving up on NUFC and waiting is the way to go. Or failing that, try to ignore the bigger picture and just watch the match.

[NG32]

We need someone like Aslan to inspire this bunch of weak minded fools.

[TaylorJ_01]

It's probably been pointed out - but I like how the preview reads "Re:Steve McClaren: "Nob..."

[BrettNUFC]

[TRon]

 

need another title change I reckon.

[loki679]

Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players.

 

Not having that like.  We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted.  Maybe if we appointed a decent fucking manager with decent fucking credentials and decent fucking experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again.

 

[TK-421]

Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players.

 

Not having that like.  We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted.  Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again.

 

That was what I was getting at in the next part of my post.

[BrettNUFC]

Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players.

 

Not having that like.  We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted.  Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again.

 

Appointments have been twatful from the start of his regime, not just starting with Pardew. On the whole, what you've said is bang on though.

[Darth Crooks]

Twatful indeed

[loki679]

Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players.

 

Not having that like.  We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted.  Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again.

 

On the whole, what you've said is bang on though.

 

 

Cheers, that means a lot coming from you.

[BrettNUFC]

Part of me has thougth the same thing this time - we are now on manager 3 with most of the same group of players, and nothing is changing, which begins to point towards the players.

 

Not having that like.  We got Pardew who nobody wanted, Carver who's not a manager and McClaren who almost nobody wanted.  Maybe if we appointed a decent f***ing manager with decent f***ing credentials and decent f***ing experience we wouldn't have this same problem again and again.

 

On the whole, what you've said is bang on though.

 

 

Cheers, that means a lot coming from you.

 

Not always a good thing to be of the same opinion as me, as you will be fully aware of

[Dave]

Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job.

 

It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager.

 

He gets paid for this. Fucking baffling.

[DJ_NUFC]

Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job.

 

It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager.

 

He gets paid for this. Fucking baffling.

 

Football punditry and the GOP have a lot in common: cognitive dissonance is de rigeur.

[Impossibly Daft]

Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job.

 

It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager.

 

He gets paid for this. f***ing baffling.

 

Lawro is a braindead twat but why not be sympathetic to McLaren? The poor guy comes in to what he thinks is going to be a straightforward job (objective: do less shit than Carver. That's a piece of piss on paper) only to find things rotten to the core. I've been in a similar position and it's an awful situation to be in.

[Collage]

Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job.

 

It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager.

 

He gets paid for this. f***ing baffling.

 

Incredible.

[Wallace]

You hear that all the time at the moment  - that we need stability and to stop sacking managers.  Soon forgotten that Pardew was the second-longest serving manager in the Premier League before he left us and that it was his decision to leave.

 

[Wallace]

The media has been having a lot of fun mocking McClaren for the excessive use of the word confidence in his press conference.

 

He keeps going on about how the players don't have confidence because they have lost so many games this year yet he never mentions that he himself is in the same cycle having lost more or less the same number of games when you include Derby.  He is very quick to focus everything on the players but he probably needs to look at himself.

 

 

[NG32]

Anyone hear Mark Lawrenson on the radio just then? Aside from the totally expected sympathy for McClaren (why can't they ever just say a manager is doing a bad job btw?), apparently our big problem at Newcastle is that when a new manager comes in and doesn't instantly do well, we sack them. And that we need a 6/12/18 month plan and to let a manager develop into the job.

 

It's very nearly eight years since we last sacked an underperforming manager.

 

He gets paid for this. f***ing baffling.

 

 

Pardew's reign of terror never happened then.

[magpie1892]

It's pointless looking at what Klopp has done, he's one of the best managers on the planet. We are not going to get someone anywhere near his quality in our current state. You put a good manager in a s*** situation, he will still do s***. Countless examples.

 

Best thing we can do is get relegated, get shot of Ashley, appoint a Klopp disciple and go on from there. 

 

Nah, this is never the best thing. Regardless of the situation, that's still the last thing we want.

Not according to the poll on here, 54 % wants to be relegated

 

We've been relegated recently, bounced back with ease and now ended up in exactly the same position except with foreigners who seemingly now don't care rather than overpaid british players who couldn't really be arsed. Yes, Ashley is the biggest problem of all and his on going managerial appointments are f***ing tragic but how many relegations should we suffer?

 

If we go down, we might not runaway with the championship again and if we do go down, and Ashley stays, do we then want another relegation to league 1 to see if that makes him sell the club? I personally just don't think wishing the worst on us is the way forward in sheer hope Ashley eventually caves in.

 

We would need to be down to League 1 at least, if not lower.

 

Basically just giving up on NUFC and waiting is the way to go. Or failing that, try to ignore the bigger picture and just watch the match.

 

I've given up, racked in my ST after 20 years. I would take conference right now if it meant getting rid of the slug. I watch the games on TV/internet and go a couple of times a season now - always last day. I guess I am one of those who is 'waiting'.

 

Not really fussed if we get arse-raped on Sunday. The slug has destroyed the club and it won't recover until he's away.

[Cronky]

I think there's a major problem now with Coloccini and we have to replace him. At the moment, McClaren lacks an alternative, but Colo has never struck me as a natural leader or communicator. He gets discouraged, he can't assert himself in certain situations and at one stage he seemed desperate to leave. How a player in that position can inspire his team-mates I don't know.

 

It sounded like he and McClaren fell out after the Leicester game, so there's now a complete power vacuum on the pitch. If we do nothing else in January, bring in a tough, experienced centre back.

[Mattoon]

I think there's a major problem now with Coloccini and we have to replace him. At the moment, McClaren lacks an alternative, but Colo has never struck me as a natural leader or communicator. He gets discouraged, he can't assert himself in certain situations and at one stage he seemed desperate to leave. How a player in that position can inspire his team-mates I don't know.

 

It sounded like he and McClaren fell out after the Leicester game, so there's now a complete power vacuum on the pitch. If we do nothing else in January, bring in a tough, experienced centre back.

 

It's a bad state of affairs though when it's clear he can't lead the team and McClaren knows this, falls out with him over his lack of effort/leadership and yet he still wears the armband.

[Dokko]

I wonder if hughton has enough experience now?

[ExiledGeordie]

 

I've just listened to his interview on total sport this morning. The man talks utter fucking rubbish, nonsensical, meaningless sound bites. Desperate stuff.