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West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll

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Don't think I've ever known a young NUFC player (or any NUFC player really) be the subject of so much hype.

gazza and before him waddle and beardsley (for us older folk)

 

Aye I was thinking Gazza would be the last but before my time.

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Don't think I've ever known a young NUFC player (or any NUFC player really) be the subject of so much hype.

gazza and before him waddle and beardsley (for us older folk)

 

Aye I was thinking Gazza would be the last but before my time.

theres been one or two talked about, as cajun says, jenas, even taylor and shola, but to a much lesser degree.
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He was pretty hyped, won a pfa young player of the year award beating john Terry and (I think) John o'shea and as said was touted as a future England captain and linked to arsenal as a replacement for Viera.

 

All shit in the end but hyped all the same.

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Joey Barton's thinly veiled "pick me" plea:

 

"What do England want to do? Do they want to win football matches or do they want to attract sponsors and earn a lot of money? What has happened off the field gives them every opportunity not to pick [Carroll]. But if you want to win football matches then sometimes you have to pick players who don't always toe the line.

 

"Every other national team picks [players] because they are the best in their position. That's what you have to do if you want to go and win a World Cup. The frustrating thing for me is we pick the good guys, the guys who won't cause any problems. Hopefully England will stop worrying about what the sponsors are going to say and that 'goody two-shoes' is the right image for Team England. They need to start picking players to win football matches. Hopefully people will judge Andy purely on his football ability and pick him. The worst thing he [Capello] can do is try him. He can't be any worse than what's gone before."

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/08/joey-barton-fabio-capello-andy-carroll

Capello should call up Barton, Carroll, Dyer, Bowyer and Jermaine Pennant to play France and have Bob Marley-Bad Boys played over the loud speakers as the teams walk out. Whatchu gonna do when they come for you?
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Don't think I've ever known a young NUFC player (or any NUFC player really) be the subject of so much hype.

 

He's perfect for the press/media in this country. Doing the business on the pitch, while making bad headlines off it.

 

During a perioid in which the national team are crying out for both youth and efficiency (goals) in the forward area.

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Don't think I've ever known a young NUFC player (or any NUFC player really) be the subject of so much hype.

 

He's perfect for the press/media in this country. Doing the business on the pitch, while making bad headlines off it.

 

During a perioid in which the national team are crying out for both youth and efficiency (goals) in the forward area.

Aye, England needs him more than he needs England IMO.

He'll certainly bring something different to the team, Crouch can only dream of being as threatening in the air as Carroll is.

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Carroll is better than Crouch now imo.

 

Technically he isn't, nor positionally.

 

 

 

Crouch's technique is nowt special tbh.

 

Carroll is better in the air, has better strength and is probably faster. His finsihing is probably better anarl.

 

Would take wor Andy over Crouch every day of the week  :aww:

 

Sorry but Crouch's technique is better than Carroll's like, not miles better but better all the same. Carroll is a bit like Shola where technique is concerned, he either controls it instantly and cleanly or it bobbles off him. Carroll is better in the air at attacking the ball but in terms of using heading to direct the ball and bringing team-mates into play, Crouch is again better. Many a time Carroll just jumps and gets a head on it with little or no thought as to where to head the ball other than forwards. He is improving in that area, however. Finishing wise, Crouch is a better finisher and a scorer of different types of goals, often sublime and technically difficult finishes. If Carroll goes onto become as good as Crouch or reach that kind of level he will have done well for himself. While everyone goes wild about Carroll, remember Crouch is often regarded as an average Premier League striker and some even lament him. I seem to remember a year or so back the idea of signing him brought many a NO on here. Carroll has a long way to go and I'm not convinced he has enough in his game and the right kind of goalscoring prowess to ever become something more than what he is at the moment. Which by the way I'm not knocking because he is more than good enough for us as things stand.

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Sorry but Crouch's technique is better than Carroll's like, not miles better but better all the same. Carroll is a bit like Shola where technique is concerned, he either controls it instantly and cleanly or it bobbles off him.

 

Right... except he isn't, as virtually every ball that comes to him at chest height sticks to him and gets laid off. I do not recall berating Carroll at any point this season or at the end of last for persistantly giving the ball away.

 

Carroll is better in the air at attacking the ball but in terms of using heading to direct the ball and bringing team-mates into play, Crouch is again better. Many a time Carroll just jumps and gets a head on it with little or no thought as to where to head the ball other than forwards. He is improving in that area, however.

 

I'd say firstly, Carroll doesn't have Rafael Van der Vaart on the end of his knockdowns, making things a lot simpler for him. However, as Carroll now has almost as many (i may be wrong, it may be as many / more) assists as he does goals, he's obviously pretty decent at bringing team mates into the game. As regards attacking the ball / heading on goal, it's pretty crucial if you have a massive centre forward his key asset is going to be headed goals, Carroll is streets ahead of Crouch in this respect.

 

Finishing wise, Crouch is a better finisher and a scorer of different types of goals, often sublime and technically difficult finishes.

 

What, you mean like cross body volleys from long high balls?

 

If Carroll goes onto become as good as Crouch or reach that kind of level he will have done well for himself. While everyone goes wild about Carroll, remember Crouch is often regarded as an average Premier League striker and some even lament him. I seem to remember a year or so back the idea of signing him brought many a NO on here. Carroll has a long way to go and I'm not convinced he has enough in his game and the right kind of goalscoring prowess to ever become something more than what he is at the moment. Which by the way I'm not knocking because he is more than good enough for us as things stand.

 

Crouch was a Villa reserve when he was 21. He had half a good season at QPR in the Championship when they were relegated then a decent season at Pompey, before he regressed massively for 2 years and had to fight his way back at Southampton. He has continued to yoyo throughout his career, flitting between being just too good and just not good enough for the teams he plays for. I won't argue that Carroll is only off the back of 12 months of ludicrous progress and none of us know how it is going to go for him, but to somehow deduce that he'd be lucky to be as good as Crouch who hasn't really progressed from the player he was at 21, when Carroll seems to have the raw attributes to be a far better player, seems a massive leap to make and based purely on your opinion as opposed to any evidence to the contrary. I'm also sure he's kept awake at night by the fact you aren't convinced by him as a player

 

 

 

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I think Crouch is technically better on the floor but Carroll is streets ahead when it comes to physicality and aerial ability.

Crouch has decent skills and close control but he's weak as piss.  Sheare was never the most skillful or tricky but he was a vastly better striker than Crouch could ever hope to be.

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I really think Crouch is underrated by a lot of people, he is very useful to Spurs and England IMO.

 

But Carroll has the attributes to surpass him, although he's smaller he's a better header of the ball and should turn out to be a better goalscorer. Carroll's mobility is also something he seems to be working on.

 

His touch is sometimes a bit suspect, but that seems to be improving as well.

 

No slight on Crouch, who I rate, but I would much rather have Carroll.

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I really think Crouch is underrated by a lot of people, he is very useful to Spurs and England IMO.

 

But Carroll has the attributes to surpass him, although he's smaller he's a better header of the ball and should turn out to be a better goalscorer. Carroll's mobility is also something he seems to be working on.

 

His touch is sometimes a bit suspect, but that seems to be improving as well.

 

No slight on Crouch, who I rate, but I would much rather have Carroll.

 

I've always rated Crouch but I don't think he makes the most of his physical attributes. Carroll is a striker who plays to his strengths perfectly and I can only see him getting better and better

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