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West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll


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do people think if carroll hadn't put in a transfer request that the transfer would never have happened?

 

seems obvious that the club were actively negotiating but not budging from a high valuation. carroll's just forced their hand after getting itchy feet about time running out, but you dont spend the entire day negotiating with a buying club if you have no intention of selling. the stuff the liverpool journo leaked about bid amounts suggests Ashley was trying to start something of an auction.

 

I think Carroll is like every other player and had a price that the club would have always accepted.  That doesn't change that it looks like we knocked Liverpool back until Carroll forced the issue.

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Would anyone expect us to sign a young talent with only partially realised potential for 35 million quid? No? Then, as hard as it is to swallow, why should we expect to keep such a player, even if he is "homegrown" and supposedly "one of us"? This is business, not a boy's own annual.

 

Imo, it makes sense to take this sort of crazy money, and then to invest it in order to deepen the squad. I know it's not what big clubs do, but - news flash - we're NOT a big club ... at the moment. Providing we can maintain our PL status this season, and then invest the funds wisely over the summer, this sale can be used to consolidate a top 6 place in the PL in seasons to come, and from there the move to "big club" status can be plotted.

 

Is it not possible that from a bigger picture perspective, Andy Carroll might have done the best thing he could have done for NUFC - that is, to bolster our 2011-12 EPL war chest by 35 million quid (substantially more than we would have been likely to get for him in the summer)?     

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I don't think Andy was considering leaving until his agent tells him this morning that NUFC look to be serious about weighing offers for him from Liverpool and Tottenham and that he may have to put in a transfer request in order to get the 2x-3x salary increase that he'd probably get.  

 

I firmly believe he was happy at our club and willing to stay, but when the club looked so eager to shop him around, I think he realized he had to do what was best for himself in an uncertain situation, and in order to guarantee his payday, was willing to submit the transfer request to make sure he got it.

 

Its incredible that this scenario, which is you're opinion not fact, leaves Carroll completely blameless.

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Waiting for Pardew/Ashley or Lambias on the steps..

 

"If we have got this wrong there is a bullet with our names on it.."

 

....think there are bullets like that anyway to be fair..

 

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/11/article-0-00EECEC100000191-652_306x199.jpg

 

 

Surely we could have got a player out of liverpool in return.. wheres our Keith Gillespie?

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Been extremely busy all day and just got back in. Have we been linked with anyone to come in? Does it look like there is a contingency plan?

 

Unbelievable money for Carroll from Liverpool. Never should have been accepted though, unless the club were prepared for this scenario and had a plan in place to get players in to counter the loss.

 

Any word on players we might get in having sold Andy?

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Been extremely busy all day and just got back in. Have we been linked with anyone to come in? Does it look like there is a contingency plan?

 

Unbelievable money for Carroll from Liverpool. Never should have been accepted though, unless the club were prepared for this scenario and had a plan in place to get players in to counter the loss.

 

Any word on players we might get in having sold Andy?

 

:lol:

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Been extremely busy all day and just got back in. Have we been linked with anyone to come in? Does it look like there is a contingency plan?

 

Unbelievable money for Carroll from Liverpool. Never should have been accepted though, unless the club were prepared for this scenario and had a plan in place to get players in to counter the loss.

 

Any word on players we might get in having sold Andy?

 

None, because we wont receive any money it goes directly into Fat Mikes pocket.

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Would anyone expect us to sign a young talent with only partially realised potential for 35 million quid? No? Then, as hard as it is to swallow, why should we expect to keep such a player, even if he is "homegrown" and supposedly "one of us"? This is business, not a boy's own annual.

 

Imo, it makes sense to take this sort of crazy money, and then to invest it in order to deepen the squad. I know it's not what big clubs do, but - news flash - we're NOT a big club ... at the moment. Providing we can maintain our PL status this season, and then invest the funds wisely over the summer, this sale can be used to consolidate a top 6 place in the PL in seasons to come, and from there the move to "big club" status can be plotted.

 

Is it not possible that from a bigger picture perspective, Andy Carroll might have done the best thing he could have done for NUFC - that is, to bolster our 2011-12 EPL war chest by 35 million quid (substantially more than we would have been likely to get for him in the summer)?     

 

Way too sensible.

 

 

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Cue some bullshit exclusive from Carroll about his position at the club being untenable when his second father Hughton was sacked.  I won't buy for one minute, you mercenary tit.

 

Fuck everybody involved on this one.  If we had a good replacement lined up, then I would say, "jettison the prick."  Buy a dude with a broken leg, secure the contract of one of the best midfielders in the country?  That's the frustrating part.  Ashley has been consistent in one way.

 

Build the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, and then carpet bomb them into dust right after completion.  Rebuild them with cheaper labor, then bomb them with even more expensive and sophisticated ordnance.  It's like Newcastle is his very own sadistic game of Civilization.

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What do you think the reaction will be the next time the teams meet and he's involved? I think it could get quite heated. Obviously players come and go but at Newcastle there is always a special bond between the fans and local lads and Carroll epitomised that, he did what we all wanted to do as kids;scored goals, wore the number 9 shirt and was loved for it.

 

He's burned his bridges though for me, he joins that elite club containing the likes of Don Hutchinson and Graeme Fenton. He might have been born up here but as far as I'm concerned he's relinquished all rights to call himself a Geordie.

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