JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's no way that the sheer fact Ashley/Pardew/etc 'considered' the £35m bid was enough to turn him from wanting to spend ten years here to wanting out asap in the space of hours, for christs sake. The story Pardew has told there completely checks out, and how on earth can he tell bare-faced lies anyway? Carroll would come out and dispute those quotes if they were untrue. This is key. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfGCf9uupbCK8Ba756hXsKLgHi7PlkYPUM2oftOtcLetWUmpSkDw Like with everything in football we'll never find out what really happened. More inclined to believe the player over our board. We know how dodgy that lot are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Fair play to the board I personally believe pardew and what he says. Call me gullible but they have made exactly the correct decision. The blame sits squarely with Carroll You are gullible. Pardews version of events seems completely plausible It's certainly from the "horse's mouth" and not just smoke and mirrors, a bit if innuendo and some alleged text messaging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's no way that the sheer fact Ashley/Pardew/etc 'considered' the £35m bid was enough to turn him from wanting to spend ten years here to wanting out asap in the space of hours, for christs sake. The story Pardew has told there completely checks out, and how on earth can he tell bare-faced lies anyway? Carroll would come out and dispute those quotes if they were untrue. Let's give hime more than 30 minutes, aye? I will do, however my opinion is that we'll hear nothing of the sort, because what Pardew has said seems reasonable to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 More inclined to believe the player over our board. Of course. But then we have the player's actions and they speak even louder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 There's no way that the sheer fact Ashley/Pardew/etc 'considered' the £35m bid was enough to turn him from wanting to spend ten years here to wanting out asap in the space of hours, for christs sake. The story Pardew has told there completely checks out, and how on earth can he tell bare-faced lies anyway? Carroll would come out and dispute those quotes if they were untrue. i agree, but the whole thing makes no sense no matter what way you look at it so everyone will make what they want of it. Bet liverpool fans are please to see hes saying he didnt want to join them, Carroll himself seems more bothered what we think than them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is, putting players on stupid contracts in the past is what contributed massively to our financial problems. No player is bigger than club, and we've had much bigger players than Carroll far bigger. A contract better than 30 k a week isn't necessarily stupid money you know. 30 k a week is, tbh, not enough for one of our absolute best players. Former players have nothing to do with this tbh.. £30k a week for a young striker, only a handful of Premier League appearances, let alone goals, is a hefty amount. Until someone introduces fee and salary caps, football is about 90% business and money and 10% 'playing' at the moment. Ashley might be a lot of things but at least he's trying to make us a sustainable football club. I know there are plenty of haters, and rightly so, but he didn't HAVE to strengthen last January to ensure more bodies and promotion, he DID back Hughton in the summer when it first seemed he wouldn't do and accepting £35m for Carroll is common sense man. Granted, my opinion will drastically change if, come the summer we're back in the Championship or don't reinvest the money into the team. Where are the likes of Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool going to be if their owners pulled the plug on their funding? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 @WarrenBarton (I'm on my phone so can't quote) The way we play, we don't need Andy Carroll and we've already proved that this month. He's the best of our striker bunch no doubt but his replacements are carbon copies in terms of style who can do a capable job imo. As I said in my first post we will survive, we're too strong defensively and in the middle to not win 4 more games or so. I'm still optimistic, we've got the likes of Ben Arfa and Ireland to come into the fold yet, who are exciting and productive players when on top form. We'll be fine and the club will move forward. so we're going to win games by being strong defensively? You also need to score, meaning theres a helluva lot of pressure on Nolan and Barton to chip in. Ireland is a total gamble in that he could be utterly shit as much as he could be a spark. Its not going to be particularly fun watching the next few months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brewcastle Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 No player is bigger than the club. So now it's only to wish the best for Best, and the rest. And hope that Liverpool get so much trouble with Carroll that they soon will regret their big spending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. Basically we're going to be simply going from transfer window to transfer window almost hoping our players don't do too well. If the club weren't willing to compromise on our most valuable asset then the rest of them have no chance. This will result in a very high turnover of players, with the average ones happy to stay and the good ones sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. Basically we're going to be simply going from transfer window to transfer window almost hoping our players don't do too well. Welcome to the 80's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. Basically we're going to be simply going from transfer window to transfer window almost hoping our players don't do too well. If the club weren't willing to compromise on our most valuable asset then the rest of them have no chance. This will result in a very high turnover of players, with the average ones happy to stay and the good ones sold. Major point this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 At least currently we have no overdraft, does that mean Ashleys 5 years plan is completed in 6 months? Club can now spend everything it makes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. Basically we're going to be simply going from transfer window to transfer window almost hoping our players don't do too well. If the club weren't willing to compromise on our most valuable asset then the rest of them have no chance. This will result in a very high turnover of players, with the average ones happy to stay and the good ones sold. But it's the same with virtually every club sadly. I know this has been mentioned before but it's worth reiterating that in the last couple of years Everton have lost Rooney, Tottenham have lost Berbatov & Carrick, Liverpool now Torres, Arsenal have lost a load of players and same will happen again with Fabregas at some point, even the Mancs lost Ronaldo. Would you describe all of these clubs as selling clubs? The only two not listed are City and Chelsea, and City almost lost Tevez when he kicked up. These two are the only two, due to their owners, that have the power to ensure their best stay put simply through huge finances. So, do we start dreaming of a Qatari takeover? Then we have the opposite problem of having a bunch of mercenaries whose sole purpose on tyneside is picking up a pay cheque. I think you summed it up best in the other thread, football is fucked whichever side of the fence you're on for very different reasons. Being a fan is a pretty fucking miserable lot with the game as it is right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brewcastle Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. Basically we're going to be simply going from transfer window to transfer window almost hoping our players don't do too well. If the club weren't willing to compromise on our most valuable asset then the rest of them have no chance. This will result in a very high turnover of players, with the average ones happy to stay and the good ones sold. But if other clubs offers players a payment a week, it won't help if the club try to keep the player. I prefer £35 mill. for Carroll and let him go, than having an unmotivated Carroll (that's a ticking bomb anyway). Nothing can turne it back now. Have to see the positive. If Leon Best and Nile Ranger get the backing they deserve, may Carroll is forgotten quite quickly . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 We'll never know what happened to be honest. I don't know who to believe out of Pardew and Carroll. Funny how Pardew assures that the money will 'stay in the club'. So it fucking should, making assurances that it will be invested in the transfers market is another thing - clearly Pardew has avoided making that statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 “I had a laugh when I heard Newcastle say the found it hard to accept £35m for him. Why do they make players hand in transfer requests when they want them to leave?” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. Basically we're going to be simply going from transfer window to transfer window almost hoping our players don't do too well. If the club weren't willing to compromise on our most valuable asset then the rest of them have no chance. This will result in a very high turnover of players, with the average ones happy to stay and the good ones sold. It depends how well we do in the coming years tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant1815 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not sure if it's been posted or mentioned before, but what do people think about the supposed texts from Carrol saying he didn't want to leave? http://www.fansonline.net/newcastleunited/article.php?id=599 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 People refuse to believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The fact is, putting players on stupid contracts in the past is what contributed massively to our financial problems. No player is bigger than club, and we've had much bigger players than Carroll far bigger. We've also had many worse players on much bigger contracts, players much worse than Carroll on huge deals. Yes that was part of a different regime and the size of the remuneration package those poor players were on almost brought the club down. However, there is nothing wrong with tying your very best players down on attractive contracts. Every other 'big' club does it. Problem is Ashley tries to do everything on the cheap, Carroll should have been offered 80 grand a week to stay. Yes he is young and inexperienced but that is the going rate for a player of his potential. Putting him on 30 grand a week when other clubs were sniffing round is tantamount to putting a 'come and get me' sign on the back of his shirt. Which is perhaps what Ashley wanted. I have no problem with rewarding the very best players. It's the dross on 40-50 grand a week that should have their contracts looked at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 People refuse to believe it. Most theories incorporate the texts and the idea that we didn't force him to leave actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Why are so many of you believing Pardew, ffs? He'll be saying what Ashley and Llambias have told him to - the man is a patsy and was brought in for that very reason. Joe Kinnear all over again, without the swearing. Spot on BG - I despair, I really do ; some of these guys will be as old as us before they get the message ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The most depressing thing about all this is that the same thing will happen if any of our players start attracting major attention from more ambitious clubs. Our lot won't budge, so they'll be sold. I kind of fear the same, until you can compete with the top 4 financially you'll always be worried that any player's startling progress will inevitably lead to him moving. That unfortunately is the reality of where we are today. Fortunately we do have some very good players at the club, despite the current wailing we are not a one man team and if we had given in to his demands as soon as another club came after him, it would have had more serious and longer term implications for the morale of the team than his departure will have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Its one thing if he was on a contract with say 18 months left then he had room to ask for more money and try to negotiate with the club but he was happy with what he got in his new 5 year deal so the club cannot allow him to demand more money to stay. You do it once then you do it every time. Yes it means we could lose our top players but there is always that risk, say City want Tiote and offer him £100k per week how are we meant to combat that ? I say IF this is true the club did the right thing and fuck the greedy little cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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