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What I dont understand in addition to all the other noise is why we didnt get some other players from liverpool?

ngog on loan, take some of the youngsters, etc They obviously desperately wanted him, why not rape their youth academy at the same time....

 

So true we were losing a striker at the end of the window, we should have demanded a player on loan from them.

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Carroll said: “I was in talks about a new contract and talking to the gaffer about that."

 

OK, end of story. Really. That's it.

 

he has backed up what Pards said... because if you are in talks about a proper new deal its not with your manager its with your Chairman.

 

Yep.  In fact the story is quite clear now. 

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How can anyone take this:

 

“And then I was allowed to talk to Liverpool. The owner then made it clear to me that I was not wanted at the club.

 

“Saying that his own helicopter is waiting for me to go down to talk to them.

 

“So being shown I’m not wanted I said OK I will talk to them. Then suddenly the bid was rejected.

 

And decide that our poor owner was caught offguard by the whole thing. The poor guy obviously wanted to keep Carroll till he wanted more money.

 

He wanted him out of the door man. We werent rejecting anything, it was all negotations & manipulation.

 

Yeap, after submitting the transfer request.  Not before, AFTER.

 

No, he asked for the transfer request after we rejected the 2nd bid. Which happened after Ashley offered him his helicopter.

 

Go read it again. You're being sold nonsense.

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You're missing the point, I'm asking why Carroll would have submitted a transfer request if he didn't want to go.

 

Because it was made clear that he wasn't as much wanted as the £35M.

don't forget the extra £50k per week aswell.

 

And probably a bung to match the Liverpool sweetener and then of course his agent would want his slice of the action whichever way it went.

In total Dekka and Ashley were probably looking at a £50M to keep him on the books.

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What I dont understand in addition to all the other noise is why we didnt get some other players from liverpool?

ngog on loan, take some of the youngsters, etc They obviously desperately wanted him, why not rape their youth academy at the same time....

 

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season.

 

There isn't one player in their squad who i'd have taken. Might as well hike up the price

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so Carroll pretty much admits he was after more money.  OK thats not cool, but its also clear the club aren't prepared to stump up to keep better players at the club.  Don't expect much progress from now on.  Both are to blame.

it means to me that they aren't prepared for players to take the piss. if carroll wanted the new contract at the end of the season after having a good season then he may have had a point...not 3 month after agreeing a contract just because someone has bid for him and that is the crux here, he wouldn't have been wanting a new contract if liverpool hadn't bid and offered huge wages. pure greed.

 

Ofcourse he wouldnt have wanted it otherwise. Surely a bid of 35 million for a player changes things quite drastically no? This is a remarkable situation. If someone is being valued by anywhere near that much he isnt usually on anywhere near 30k a week.

tough, thats one of the things with contracts, had he stayed and been shit would he have took a pay cut ? no.
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so Carroll pretty much admits he was after more money.  OK thats not cool, but its also clear the club aren't prepared to stump up to keep better players at the club.  Don't expect much progress from now on.  Both are to blame.

it means to me that they aren't prepared for players to take the piss. if carroll wanted the new contract at the end of the season after having a good season then he may have had a point...not 3 month after agreeing a contract just because someone has bid for him and that is the crux here, he wouldn't have been wanting a new contract if liverpool hadn't bid and offered huge wages. pure greed.

 

Ofcourse he wouldnt have wanted it otherwise. Surely a bid of 35 million for a player changes things quite drastically no? This is a remarkable situation. If someone is being valued by anywhere near that much he isnt usually on anywhere near 30k a week.

 

Just because a club is desperate enough to bid ridiculous money for a player, doesn't mean we should give him a payrise. Especially two months after his last payrise. That's the worst bit, 2 months, he couldn't even wait until the end of the season before trying it ffs.

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He did not deserve a new contract months after signing another one, wasn't 30k a week enough.

 

Clearly because of his 1 England appearance thinking he deserves 70-80k a week.

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What I dont understand in addition to all the other noise is why we didnt get some other players from liverpool?

ngog on loan, take some of the youngsters, etc They obviously desperately wanted him, why not rape their youth academy at the same time....

 

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season.

Who? Their team is fucking garbage apart from their two new strikers man :lol:

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What I dont understand in addition to all the other noise is why we didnt get some other players from liverpool?

ngog on loan, take some of the youngsters, etc They obviously desperately wanted him, why not rape their youth academy at the same time....

 

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season.

Who? Their team is fucking garbage apart from their two new strikers man :lol:

 

:lol: I can't say I know who, I know fuck all about the Liverpool squad, but surely there would have been a couple of players in there they would've parted with who could've played a fair role for us, even just until the end of the season?

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How can anyone take this:

 

“And then I was allowed to talk to Liverpool. The owner then made it clear to me that I was not wanted at the club.

 

“Saying that his own helicopter is waiting for me to go down to talk to them.

 

“So being shown I’m not wanted I said OK I will talk to them. Then suddenly the bid was rejected.

 

And decide that our poor owner was caught offguard by the whole thing. The poor guy obviously wanted to keep Carroll till he wanted more money.

 

He wanted him out of the door man. We werent rejecting anything, it was all negotations & manipulation.

 

Yeap, after submitting the transfer request.  Not before, AFTER.

 

No, he asked for the transfer request after we rejected the 2nd bid. Which happened after Ashley offered him his helicopter.

 

Go read it again. You're being sold nonsense.

 

You clearly don't see that Carroll has been made to be a money grabbing twat in all of this now.

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I thought he got a private jet down to Liverpool.

He did not deserve a new contract months after signing another one, wasn't 30k a week enough.

 

Clearly because of his 1 England appearance thinking he deserves 70-80k a week.

 

I love how the BBC this morning were saying "England international Andy Carroll moves to Liverpool" ffs he's played one game at senior level.

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He did not deserve a new contract months after signing another one, wasn't 30k a week enough.

 

Clearly because of his 1 England appearance thinking he deserves 70-80k a week.

 

Yep. Jay Boythroyd also had a callup. H

What I dont understand in addition to all the other noise is why we didnt get some other players from liverpool?

ngog on loan, take some of the youngsters, etc They obviously desperately wanted him, why not rape their youth academy at the same time....

 

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season.

Who? Their team is f***ing garbage apart from their two new strikers man :lol:

 

Ngog is ok, and they have one of the best youth academies around. Surely there are a few highly rated kids we could have stolen

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Do you blame Mike Ashley for wanting to sell Carroll for 36m. There's not many clubs in the world who would have turned that down, in fairness.

 

It's all helped by Carroll's actions and the fact that he is "trouble".

 

I said it earlier.

 

But say tottenham were offered 35m for VDV instead at that point in the window. Do you think theyd have sold him?

 

Some players are bigger than your clubs current position, vdv is for them & Carroll was for us. We could have pushed for Europe & used that to attract quality players then sold him in the summer if we had to. We couldve just rejected the bid in general & had Ashley invest in us to achieve. We couldve used Carrolls ability & reputation to attract better players also. Just as we did with Shearer. There were other far more ambitious options.

 

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i'm on carroll's side here. that latest interview doesn't cover him in glory either, but i believe he was strongly told to leave. the contract situation does add an interesting layer, but carroll isn't a judas cunt like was proclaimed yesterday.

 

so are there still add-ons to this deal? SSN stopped mentioning them after a while....

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What I dont understand in addition to all the other noise is why we didnt get some other players from liverpool?

ngog on loan, take some of the youngsters, etc They obviously desperately wanted him, why not rape their youth academy at the same time....

 

That's a fair shout, something I've wondered. Surely could've grabbed one or two players from them to help us for the rest of the season.

Who? Their team is fucking garbage apart from their two new strikers man :lol:

 

:lol: I can't say I know who, I know fuck all about the Liverpool squad, but surely there would have been a couple of players in there they would've parted with who could've played a fair role for us, even just until the end of the season?

We're pretty well covered in all positions bar strikers and wingers. Their third choice striker is NGog, who I do not want and who they'll need until Carroll is fit. Their wingers are shite, certainly not an upgrade on either Barton or Ben Arfa, would be a pointless signing.

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How can anyone take this:

 

“And then I was allowed to talk to Liverpool. The owner then made it clear to me that I was not wanted at the club.

 

“Saying that his own helicopter is waiting for me to go down to talk to them.

 

“So being shown I’m not wanted I said OK I will talk to them. Then suddenly the bid was rejected.

 

And decide that our poor owner was caught offguard by the whole thing. The poor guy obviously wanted to keep Carroll till he wanted more money.

 

He wanted him out of the door man. We werent rejecting anything, it was all negotations & manipulation.

 

Yeap, after submitting the transfer request.  Not before, AFTER.

 

No, he asked for the transfer request after we rejected the 2nd bid. Which happened after Ashley offered him his helicopter.

 

Go read it again. You're being sold nonsense.

 

You clearly don't see that Carroll has been made to be a money grabbing t*** in all of this now.

 

I just proved your claim wrong & you reply with a made up thought about what you think i dont believe. Useful convo.

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Do you blame Mike Ashley for wanting to sell Carroll for 36m. There's not many clubs in the world who would have turned that down, in fairness.

 

It's all helped by Carroll's actions and the fact that he is "trouble".

 

I said it earlier.

 

But say tottenham were offered 35m for VDV instead at that point in the window. Do you think theyd have sold him?

 

Some players are bigger than your clubs current position, vdv is for them & Carroll was for us. We could have pushed for Europe & used that to attract quality players then sold him in the summer if we had to. We couldve just rejected the bid in general & had Ashley invest in us to achieve. We couldve used Carrolls ability & reputation to attract better players also. Just as we did with Shearer. There were other far more ambitious options.

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Do you blame Mike Ashley for wanting to sell Carroll for 36m. There's not many clubs in the world who would have turned that down, in fairness.

 

It's all helped by Carroll's actions and the fact that he is "trouble".

 

I said it earlier.

 

But say tottenham were offered 35m for VDV instead at that point in the window. Do you think theyd have sold him?

 

Some players are bigger than your clubs current position, vdv is for them & Carroll was for us. We could have pushed for Europe & used that to attract quality players then sold him in the summer if we had to. We couldve just rejected the bid in general & had Ashley invest in us to achieve. We couldve used Carrolls ability & reputation to attract better players also. Just as we did with Shearer. There were other far more ambitious options.

 

 

this cannot be overlooked.

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How can anyone take this:

 

“And then I was allowed to talk to Liverpool. The owner then made it clear to me that I was not wanted at the club.

 

“Saying that his own helicopter is waiting for me to go down to talk to them.

 

“So being shown I’m not wanted I said OK I will talk to them. Then suddenly the bid was rejected.

 

And decide that our poor owner was caught offguard by the whole thing. The poor guy obviously wanted to keep Carroll till he wanted more money.

 

He wanted him out of the door man. We werent rejecting anything, it was all negotations & manipulation.

 

Yeap, after submitting the transfer request.  Not before, AFTER.

 

No, he asked for the transfer request after we rejected the 2nd bid. Which happened after Ashley offered him his helicopter.

 

Go read it again. You're being sold nonsense.

 

Jayson, back the square one, do you think the club should bow down to Carroll's ridiculous demand?

 

Ashley has decided that Carroll should be sold once helding the club to ransom (pretty clear, please) and rest, yes, is manipulation. What's wrong with that then?

Ashley's trying his best to get the max money for the club (or himself, anyway) which is correct.

 

Or you think Ashley should tell Carroll "My dear son, you shouldn't do that, no next time ok?" and let Carroll to create troubles within the team?

Helding the club to ransom is unacceptable at any case.

 

Carroll's asking for a new contract AFTER Liverpool made the bid. FFS.

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Do you blame Mike Ashley for wanting to sell Carroll for 36m. There's not many clubs in the world who would have turned that down, in fairness.

 

It's all helped by Carroll's actions and the fact that he is "trouble".

 

I said it earlier.

 

But say tottenham were offered 35m for VDV instead at that point in the window. Do you think theyd have sold him?

 

 

They will sell him.

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