Mole_Toonfan Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I suppose fair point. Maybe being a bit stubborn about it, he'd probably help but I don't think he's worth £12m and it frustrates me that we'd throw money to bring big andy back and not to get Debuchy. We do need a striker tho, would prefer a more flexible one If we ignore Debuchy or any attacking fullback we can get for that matter as Simpson needs upgrading to get him then i agree but if we can get a fullback and Carroll then no complaints from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 £12m for Carroll, £15m for Fletcher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm just wondering whether the £12m is worth it because it allows LFC to buy Johnson. If we get Carroll, Liverpool spunk the whole lot on Johnson, and Sunderland sign Steve Guppy as their new left-winger it would be sensational. Sunderland will sign Downing if Liverpool get Johnson, that would be a complete circle of madness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I hope Downing doesn't go there, think he'd do a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I hope Downing doesn't go there, think he'd do a good job. I hope he does, he's tragic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm just wondering whether the £12m is worth it because it allows LFC to buy Johnson. If we get Carroll, Liverpool spunk the whole lot on Johnson, and Sunderland sign Steve Guppy as their new left-winger it would be sensational. Sunderland will sign Downing if Liverpool get Johnson, that would be a complete circle of madness. Nirvana. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Out of his depth as a top 6 player but he's the sort of player in a mid-table side where if you just get the ball to him and tell him to put crosses in, he'll set up a few. Like at Boro & Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I really fear he would be no better for us than for liverpool. Yes the motivation would be there but he's not going to get the service. When he has a few collisions with centre backs early on he invariably has a good game (from the times I've watched him). I reckon its when he has to fanny on in midfield trying to be like Ibrahimovic that he tends to struggle. He can do a bit of that but its far from a strength in his game. One of the only criticisms I would level at a Ba / Cisse pairing is that they can occasionally get bullied by centre backs when the ball is played up from the back - it nullified them in the derby. Carroll solves that right away. Watching Everton take apart a far more expensive Man United team last night by playing directly reminded me of the way we beat them 3-0 in January. Maybe it is worth having that in your locker as a Plan B, and there are few better players for it than Carroll. Also, having Carroll to hit diagonals to is probably a wet dream for Mike Williamson. We do need a striker and he definitely could be an asset for us, but there is a balance to be struck in terms of style of play. I think last season's best manager has a far better chance of finding that balance than last season's worst. I also think 12m is probably a decent valuation for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I hope Downing doesn't go there, think he'd do a good job. I think he is completely overated, doesn't do enough at all for me. Let them have him and he can do his 1 classy game in 5 for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The money that Dalglish wasted at Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 12m was probably about his value when we sold him tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 It'd be worth spending £12m on making Liverpool look like utter fools again. With the same player £23m is a cracking fee for a 18 month loan deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 £12m for Carroll, £15m for Fletcher. Fletcher who scored more goals than Carroll, for the team that finished rock bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Because he is so totally different in style to Ba or Cisse, I would have thought he would be great to bring on change the focus of attack. As said by a few others he can bully centre halves and create big holes in a defence. On top of that there is always the satisfaction of knowing that Liverpool paid £13 million for a season loan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannybagoftudor Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I really fear he would be no better for us than for liverpool. Yes the motivation would be there but he's not going to get the service. When he has a few collisions with centre backs early on he invariably has a good game (from the times I've watched him). I reckon its when he has to fanny on in midfield trying to be like Ibrahimovic that he tends to struggle. He can do a bit of that but its far from a strength in his game. One of the only criticisms I would level at a Ba / Cisse pairing is that they can occasionally get bullied by centre backs when the ball is played up from the back - it nullified them in the derby. Carroll solves that right away. Watching Everton take apart a far more expensive Man United team last night by playing directly reminded me of the way we beat them 3-0 in January. Maybe it is worth having that in your locker as a Plan B, and there are few better players for it than Carroll. Also, having Carroll to hit diagonals to is probably a wet dream for Mike Williamson. We do need a striker and he definitely could be an asset for us, but there is a balance to be struck in terms of style of play. I think last season's best manager has a far better chance of finding that balance than last season's worst. I also think 12m is probably a decent valuation for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Stop wasting time on this and get Debuchy and Douglas in instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Stop wasting time on this and get Debuchy and Douglas in instead. agreed. fanny about with a bid for Carroll on deadline day having secured the aforementioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Because he is so totally different in style to Ba or Cisse, I would have thought he would be great to bring on change the focus of attack. As said by a few others he can bully centre halves and create big holes in a defence. On top of that there is always the satisfaction of knowing that Liverpool paid £13 million for a season loan Try £23m for a season loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Can this not go away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Despite being a bit of a twunt he would be a good replacement for Best. Think we could get better for the money but we don't seem to be targeting anyone else now so I would 'settle' right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 £12 million would be of much better use elsewhere. (Yep, still don't want him back under any circumstances). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 £12m for Carroll, £15m for Fletcher. Fletcher who scored more goals than Carroll, for the team that finished rock bottom. Fletcher who has never performed to a level that Carroll has proven he can perform at. I thought Carroll was over-rated when he was with us, I even said so at the time, but there's no way Fletcher can put in the same dominant performances Carroll did when was here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Because he is so totally different in style to Ba or Cisse, I would have thought he would be great to bring on change the focus of attack. As said by a few others he can bully centre halves and create big holes in a defence. On top of that there is always the satisfaction of knowing that Liverpool paid £13 million for a season loan Try £23m for a season loan. oops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Stats aren't everything, but I saw a blog in February or so that reckoned most of Downing's Opta numbers, especially the crossing ones, were almost identical for Villa and Liverpool. It suggested the difference was Darren Bent's finishing versus Suarez's. I don't think he's an England player or anything, but I think he's a bit better than Liverpool have made him look. The "no assists" thing makes it sound like its all his fault. The way Liverpool have played him and the pressure of the fee have clearly messed up Carroll, moreso than Downing I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Not convinced Liverpool will cave in for 12m. Time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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