TRon Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 You already know the point being made, half our first team exists due to selling Carroll. You cant use the sale as an example of lack of ambition when we've used it to further our success. We have? There's just as much ammunition to argue that our success is in spite of our 'business model'. You can argue whatever you like but it starts to look a bit crap when you are using a team like West Ham who are paying potentially £30million for Newcastle rejects like Nolan and Carroll just to stay up while we are competing in Europe without them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Not saying it's a wise move on their part. It's just sad that clubs like Fulham, West Ham and Reading are demonstrating more ambition than us. They aren't. They are paying over the odds just to stay up. West Ham will achieve f*** all this season but they've bought enough goals to avoid relegation. As opposed to us, who sold our only PL standard striker in the January transfer window during our first season back? It's relentless, this nonsense. Thats not really a great example of a poor move on our behalf is it given the long term result. Which long term result? The £35m still hasn't been spent. This still annoys the fuck out of me. How can we not dip into that money for a few signings. Tottenham get £33m (reportedly) for modric and look like they are trying to reinvest all of it into the team. Because we lived beyond our means for a decade and it nearly wiped us out. Why didnt they just say that then instead of saying all of it would be reinvested in the team around the time of the sale? IIRC they said it would all be invested back in to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 The spending argument is ridiculous like. People spend more money on something thats broken compared to something that works well. Its also easier to upgrade crap than it is to upgrade something that again works very well. Ofcourse smaller clubs are finding players to piss money away on, we would be if we were them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 The spending argument is ridiculous like. People spend more money on something thats broken compared to something that works well. Its also easier to upgrade crap than it is to upgrade something that again works very well. Ofcourse smaller clubs are finding players to p*ss money away on, we would be if we were them. Anyway, great news on this one. Found his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Feel free to put one of your well reasoned responses jack mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Feel free to put one of your well reasoned responses jack mate I did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Makes more sense than most of yours ill give you that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Makes more sense than most of yours ill give you that You're saying it's difficult to sign a player who will greatly improve us, who wants to come here and is available at an attainable price Sign him and a young backup striker for a few million and not 1 person would say we've had a bad/average window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Really not arsed about this, probably a lucky escape for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 Makes more sense than most of yours ill give you that You're saying it's difficult to sign a player who will greatly improve us, who wants to come here and is available at an attainable price Sign him and a young backup striker for a few million and not 1 person would say we've had a bad/average window. If you're referring to Debuchy, no. If the details of that come out & we've missed him by a few million, then its obviously a failure. But more due to negotiation than us being unwilling to meet his cost, i think we've just pushed our luck to far myself. Outside of that as far as im aware, Pards has come out & said our other targets are happy at their clubs. Seeing as many of our targets tend to be in strong sides already, yeah its not easy at this point to upgrade the team. In comparison to sides like Reading, West Ham or Championship clubs whos spending keeps being compared to ours. As for young striker, Rhodes went for 8m. Maybe the value for money isnt there at the moment when compared to what we already have? Our scouting team probably knows better than we do huh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Makes more sense than most of yours ill give you that You're saying it's difficult to sign a player who will greatly improve us, who wants to come here and is available at an attainable price Sign him and a young backup striker for a few million and not 1 person would say we've had a bad/average window. If you're referring to Debuchy then its obviously a failure. But more due to negotiation than us being unwilling to meet his cost, i think we've just pushed our luck to far myself. Outside of that as far as im aware, Pards has come out & said our other targets are happy at their clubs. Seeing as many of our targets tend to be in strong sides already, yeah its not easy at this point to upgrade the team. In comparison to sides like Reading, West Ham or Championship clubs whos spending keeps being compared to ours. As for young striker, Rhodes went for 8m. Maybe the value for money isnt there at the moment when compared to what we already have? Our scouting team probably knows better than we do huh. Rhodes is an awful example. We'd never spend that much on an untested player. A £2-3 million striker from abroad would and should have been a perfectly reasonable signing given our much vaunted scouting team. Added to £8million-ish for Debuchy and we'd have vastly improved the team/squad for under £15million, which is a very realistic figure for us to be spending at this stage. I know, I know, balance sheets etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 The type of football Fat Sam is going to make him play makes me sad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucaAltieri Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hope he does well but I've got a feeling he's heading for his second relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 31, 2012 Share Posted August 31, 2012 The type of football Fat Sam is going to make him play makes me sad This. He is a better footballer than that. Interesting how many West Ham players the agent Mark Curtis now has on his books as well as the manager. Hadn't realised that Matt Jarvis was one of his. He's managed to sign up a couple of the young ones there as well - no doubt due to Nolan's influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cdn_geordie Posted September 1, 2012 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Apparently he pulled his hammy at the end of the game, out for the England games at the very least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Someone needs to put that Guess Who Wins Again Mike Ashley image for this thread after yesterday..imagine us paying 17 million for him and he pulls his hamstring in his 1st game back. This thread would have gone into overload Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Looked very good today and a lot like the player we sold, rather than the one under Daglish. Quality finish from Nolan for the first goal as well, quite enjoyed seeing them back playing together in a strange way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I bet norwich manager is slightly green atmo....probably knows those 2 can keep a side up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Looked very good today and a lot like the player we sold, rather than the one under Daglish. Quality finish from Nolan for the first goal as well, quite enjoyed seeing them back playing together in a strange way. Why wouldn't the pair of them look good yesterday? If ever a manager was designed to get the best out of a big striker and set piece goal poaching midfielder it's fat Sam. It's a much better place for Carroll to play his football than Liverpool or Newcastle really. We've moved on since then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Has it been mentioned that Rodgers has said that they can bring Carroll back in January if they want? They bring him back, sell him to us in January and spend the money on bad players imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Has it been mentioned that Rodgers has said that they can bring Carroll back in January if they want? They bring him back, sell him to us in January and spend the money on bad players imo. With our current tactics he might actually be worth the monies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I think the loan deal is for the season. If they are so hard up for cash, then they would have been better off selling him to us because they would have had it all paid up front and then could have staggered payments for any players they bought in. If they sell him to West Ham next year, then the payments will be over a lengthy contract as West Ham are skint themselves. Mind you they spent £26m on Allen and Borini so they have not planned their transfer activity very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I think the loan deal is for the season. If they are so hard up for cash, then they would have been better off selling him to us because they would have had it all paid up front and then could have staggered payments for any players they bought in. If they sell him to West Ham next year, then the payments will be over a lengthy contract as West Ham are skint themselves. Mind you they spent £26m on Allen and Borini so they have not planned their transfer activity very well. Maybe they are hoping he will regain some form at West Ham knowng he will be played more then he will at Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I think the loan deal is for the season. If they are so hard up for cash, then they would have been better off selling him to us because they would have had it all paid up front and then could have staggered payments for any players they bought in. If they sell him to West Ham next year, then the payments will be over a lengthy contract as West Ham are skint themselves. Mind you they spent £26m on Allen and Borini so they have not planned their transfer activity very well. Rodgers himself said they could bring him back "only in January". They wanted to bring in Dempsey as a replacement but couldn't afford him. I don't think we even offered money for Carroll btw. Just a loan deal with an option to buy in a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 Didn't we offer to loan Carroll with the notion that Liverpool would still pay the bigger % of his wages. We were really taking the piss there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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