Frazzle Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 When Shola's back we'll forgot we even have any other strikers tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Neither Carroll nor Ranger is a significant goal threat (yet) imo. We need our saviour. We need Shola Ameobi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Sorry but no they're not, at all - and to say so is purely succumbing to the ridiculous bumfest he receives on this board. I mean for isntance, on a couple of occassions in the second half... he was holding the defender off on the edge of the box - admittedly with his back to goal - but with a good yard of space between him and his encroacher. A turn and shot is hardly against the rules from these situations and i saw him score a similar sounding goal for England the other day. I can't understand it; it's almost as if he's compelled to pass in those situations in the first team, where he'd shoot in the reserves or England team. It's not bad like - and i'd largely put it down to confidence... and the midfield not being that great does make him look wasteful when he isn't as such, but a bit more striker's instinct definitely needs kicking into him. He's nowhere to be seen from set pieces, either. Carroll's the more rounded striker at the moment and i'd definitely have him in the side ahead of him; especially in a 4-5-1. Didnt see his goal for England, but dont remember seeing many situations today where i expected him to be able to do much more with it than lay it off atall tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Decent enough performance, the fullbacks were the stand outs for me, bar that dodgy pass by Enrique at the end both were solid and kept out to good wingers in Whittingham and Burke. Chopra was his usual pish self against us, and Bothroyd wasn't great we got a bit sloppy towards the end with the Smith sending off and the Taylor handball, we need to tighten up a bit and Hughton needs to really think about his changes, Guthrie looked far from happy at being taken off and rightly so, Nolan was offering the least and should have gone. Plymouth next week with Carroll and potentially Jonas back, they are a poor side by their own admission, and if we can perk up and get back to the way we were playing before the international break we should be able to get 3 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Any posts about Ranger lacking attacking instinct are complete nonsense at this point. Sorry but no they're not, at all - and to say so is purely succumbing to the ridiculous bumfest he receives on this board. I mean for isntance, on a couple of occassions in the second half... he was holding the defender off on the edge of the box - admittedly with his back to goal - but with a good yard of space between him and his encroacher. A turn and shot is hardly against the rules from these situations and i saw him score a similar sounding goal for England the other day. I can't understand it; it's almost as if he's compelled to pass in those situations in the first team, where he'd shoot in the reserves or England team. It's not bad like - and i'd largely put it down to confidence... and the midfield not being that great does make him look wasteful when he isn't as such, but a bit more striker's instinct definitely needs kicking into him. He's nowhere to be seen from set pieces, either. Carroll's the more rounded striker at the moment and i'd definitely have him in the side ahead of him; especially in a 4-5-1. Comparing him infavourably to Carroll doesn't do your argument many favours imo. One of Carroll's biggest flaws at first team level is his lack of willingness to have a shot. Yes but Ranger hasn't even posed any aerial threat (as yet). I'm trying desperately hard not to sound like i'm writing him off here, , cos i'm not - i do like him. I'd just prefer to have Carroll in the side, should he be fit enough to play. I'm all for us blooding youngsters and it's nice to see us finally doing so (even if it's forced), but i'd hate to see us be naive and stick with him when there's better options there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Any posts about Ranger lacking attacking instinct are complete nonsense at this point. Carroll's the more rounded striker at the moment and i'd definitely have him in the side ahead of him; especially in a 4-5-1. That's just a joke tbh, Ranger's all round play is much better than Carroll's, he brings others into play more. They might do well together though. Aye i think they might. Still don't agree that Ranger's the better all-round player though. The fact that Carroll actually poses some form of goal threat (even if it's just in the air, which would be an exaggeration anyway) - is why i've just said that he's the better all-round striker. Ranger's goal record is good though. He's essentially played as a lone striker in both first team games he's started this season, and today was especially difficult due to the sloppy but fast tempo of the game. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see him miss some sitters or do something that really indicates he is a liability as a finisher. Carroll I was hating on him for abit but in his abscence it's easy to see what he brought to the team and how much we miss it. Carroll's workrate is good and aerial ability, but his technique is pretty poor imo, compared with Ranger's magnetic boots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Something the two of them share is decent technique with the ball at their feet, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Great result, can't see many teams beating them at their place this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I agree with starting Carroll over Ranger still, dont think Ranger should be thrown in at the deep end to much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Any posts about Ranger lacking attacking instinct are complete nonsense at this point. Sorry but no they're not, at all - and to say so is purely succumbing to the ridiculous bumfest he receives on this board. I mean for isntance, on a couple of occassions in the second half... he was holding the defender off on the edge of the box - admittedly with his back to goal - but with a good yard of space between him and his encroacher. A turn and shot is hardly against the rules from these situations and i saw him score a similar sounding goal for England the other day. I can't understand it; it's almost as if he's compelled to pass in those situations in the first team, where he'd shoot in the reserves or England team. It's not bad like - and i'd largely put it down to confidence... and the midfield not being that great does make him look wasteful when he isn't as such, but a bit more striker's instinct definitely needs kicking into him. He's nowhere to be seen from set pieces, either. Carroll's the more rounded striker at the moment and i'd definitely have him in the side ahead of him; especially in a 4-5-1. Comparing him infavourably to Carroll doesn't do your argument many favours imo. One of Carroll's biggest flaws at first team level is his lack of willingness to have a shot. Yes but Ranger hasn't even posed any aerial threat (as yet). I'm trying desperately hard not to sound like i'm writing him off here, , cos i'm not - i do like him. I'd just prefer to have Carroll in the side, should he be fit enough to play. I'm all for us blooding youngsters and it's nice to see us finally doing so (even if it's forced), but i'd hate to see us be naive and stick with him when there's better options there. With our defensive line up, I don't think we got past their full backs to get any decent crosses in so I don't know where the aerial threat from Ranger was going to come from other than a set piece, and his header led to our only goal from one of those. Two away games playing as a lone front man isn't enough evidence to make those sort of judgements for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 If we are playing two up top I would start Carroll if not I would start Ranger. Ranger holds the ball up and waits for support where as Carroll is the beast who wins everything in the air but the chances of our midfield running on to his flicks are (unlike one of them) slim to none! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Shite performance today, says a lot about the league when a 'top team with a shit hot striker' cant beat a team that was there for the taking for the whole 2nd half. Smith is a liability, should have gone long before he did, and Barton needs to start and be the player he gets paid to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Dominated first 30 mins or so. Kept it steady for rest of 1st half. Second Half we were s*** but lets be honest Cardiff created f*** all. Harper 6 - Not much to do. Simpson 6 - Solid. S.Taylor 6 - Same. Coloccini 7 - Much better than what we've seen, cracking header for the goal. Can't believe he scored :colo: Enrique 6 - Great defensively, distribution is dodgy. R.Taylor 6 - Decent delivery from pretty much every set piece today. Nolan 5 - Disappeared today. Smith 8 - Man of the Match again, needed to make that tackle that got him sent off, captain's performance. Barton 6 - Looked tired towards the end, linked up well with Enrique now and again. Guthrie 5 - Pretty poor today. Ranger 6 - Worked hard all day, keeps defenders busy. Lovenkrands 5 - Meh Butt 5 - Meh Geremi 5 - Meh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Great goal by Collocini, really glad for him Interview with alan smith on ssn soon, but as usual they're being teasing cunts on purpose to keep me watching, eurgh.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Why not play both of them together. Lovenkrands looks way off the pace at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Why not play both of them together. Lovenkrands looks way off the pace at the minute. Didn't see him touch the ball so I'll take your word for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Why not play both of them together. Lovenkrands looks way off the pace at the minute. Didn't see him touch the ball so I'll take your word for it. Well that's partly what I meant . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Atmosphere from us sounded pretty bad today, haven't heard us that quiet whilst winning for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 We were absolutely pissing it the first 30 minutes then it looked like we needed a sub to change things up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Thought Colocinni was quite good, Barton was fucking awful, and in general our passing was atrocious. But we won! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 If we keep up that level of performance we should tear this league apart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Why not play both of them together. Lovenkrands looks way off the pace at the minute. Didn't see him touch the ball so I'll take your word for it. Well that's partly what I meant . I know mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Harper - 7 Simpson - 6 Enrique - 6 Taylor - 7 Coloccini - 7 Taylor - 7 Guthrie - 6 Smith - 7 Barton - 6 Nolan - 6 Ranger - 6 Poorest we've performed all season, but we've been away from home to two of the "big 4" in this league now and never looked like losing. I reckon we could be looking at 100+ points this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 If we are playing two up top I would start Carroll if not I would start Ranger. Ranger holds the ball up and waits for support where as Carroll is the beast who wins everything in the air but the chances of our midfield running on to his flicks are (unlike one of them) slim to none! Hopefully he can work up a partnership with Loverboy. Flick ons + intelligence + pace + accurate shooting = GOALS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Harper - 7 Simpson - 6 Enrique - 6 Taylor - 7 Coloccini - 7 Taylor - 7 Guthrie - 6 Smith - 7 Barton - 6 Nolan - 6 Ranger - 6 Poorest we've performed all season, but we've big away from home to two of the "big 4" in this league now and never looked like losing. I reckon we could be looking at 100+ points this season. Ranger given the same as Barton? fkn hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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