The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[AyeDubbleYoo]

 

 

Don't worry I understand your point but mine was genuinely made. I'm just repeating exactly what I'm being told and I'm only terrified by what he says because of his professional status. But happy to shut up now as only time will tell. And I hope as much as anyone that it doesn't come to pass.

 

If he was that professional he wouldn't be blabbing his mouth off.

 

That said, I half wondered Sunday when I saw them (Ashley and Llambias) laughing in the stands if they were chuckling about the betting scam they're about to pull off. Given Llambias's history with casinos and Ashley's gambling rep you could almost imagine them colluding to such a degree. They'd have to make absolute millions though to make it worthwhile and I can't see how they'd do that.... so

 

Can see why you're called Mr Logic mate.

[Guest Chris P]

Lads stop it, this is where the gutter press gets its rumours from. The more we talk about this the worse it becomes. Divrnt worry , Chris will still be the manager come next season

[Guest Loven11]

STEVE Harper believes Chris Hughton is the ideal manager for Newcastle United as he admitted the club could have descended into turmoil without him at the helm.

 

Harper did not get involved in the contract offer debate, as the club continue to weigh up their options before offering an extended deal to their manager, but he did give his full backing to Hughton, describing him as the perfect man for a difficult job.

 

Hughton was given a rapturous reception before, during and after the magnificent 5-1 win over Sunderland, and his number one goalkeeper is delighted to see the former Tottenham defender get the respect his achievements deserve.

 

It is Hughton’s cool and calm approach which has ensured the players have managed to keep their heads, despite another eventful few weeks on Tyneside. And Harper has stressed the need for stability at a club which has been anything but during recent years.

 

“This club hasn’t always been stable,” said Harper, who is aiming to return to action in mid-December as he recovers from a serious shoulder injury.

 

“As recent as 15 months ago we were surrounded by turmoil and uncertainty. It doesn’t help.

 

“We’ve had far too much of it here over the years. From last August, when Chris was appointed as manager, we have had a fantastic, stable period. Chris has worked hard and he has galvanised the place.

 

“To manage that situation and get this club out of a very tough position, and to have started so well in the Premier League, the players have worked hard for him, and responded to him.

 

“He has done a brilliant job and he is starting to get the plaudits he deserves. The fans made their feelings clear. Before we were winning on Sunday there was a ‘Hughton is a Geordie’ banner going up and they chanted his name throughout.

 

“They are demanding fans, but they know their football. They aren’t daft and they know the job which he has done in difficult circumstances.

 

“He has been the ideal manager for us. He doesn’t work the crowd, he just gets his head down and gets on with the job. He doesn’t milk it, he gets on with things irrespective of things going on around him.

 

“He is incredible. He is always the same, he doesn’t get carried away when things are going well and he doesn’t get too down when they are not. He is very level headed, which is what this club needs. He is the perfect man for the job.”

 

As for Harper, the 35-year-old has been a frustrated spectator over the last few weeks, forced to leave his goal in the care of deputy Tim Krul, who is thoroughly enjoying his extended run in the side.

 

Harper said: “I feel good. It will be five weeks next Wednesday, I’m on target for the timescale I was set.

 

“I’ve got a full range of movement now so I’ve just got to work on the strength and hopefully I’ll be diving around again in three weeks.

 

“I see the surgeon again for my eight-week check and hopefully he will give me the green light. It’s just getting the confidence and strength in it to come back in December, hopefully nearer the start than the end of it.”

 

However, Harper did almost prolong his recovery, celebrating a little too enthusiastically as the goals flowed against Sunderland.

 

He said: “I hurt myself celebrating the fourth goal when Shola volleyed it in. While everyone else was jumping around I was nearly crying. I’ll glady hurt my arm celebrating that.

 

“I would have loved to have been involved, it was one of those once in a lifetime games. I’ve played in four derby games and haven’t lost, but this was something very special.

 

“You could tell by the city afterwards and the fans what they were singing on the day showed exactly what they thought of it.”

 

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2010/11/04/harper-believes-hughton-is-perfect-nufc-manager-61634-27597456/2/

 

 

[Benwell Lad]

You can't be serious.

 

Just in case you are:

 

http://www.poppy.org.uk/

 

Cheers. 

 

And I was serious, I didn't know that. I've never seen anyone wearing a poppy in my country so I was asking myself this.

 

 

 

 

 

I was at a trade show in London in November a few years ago.

As is the custom they had one minutes silence at 11 o clock to remember those who lost their lives.

It is a very British thing, but at the time I was standing next to a German guy who although slightly bemused observed the silence impeccably.

At the end he turned to me and said "This is something to do with the war eh" ?

I replied "Yes we do it every Thursday morning at 11 o'clock" - you should have seen the look he gave me.

[David28]

Performance of the week award again for Hughton.

 

http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20101104/derby-win-earns-hughton-award_2281670_2207918

[wormy]

Such an odd 5 man panel of judges.

[David28]

Such an odd 5 man panel of judges.

 

Aye, you know that Man Utd get at least one vote every week.

[Disco]

Really good article on the mirror site retweeted by Caulkin t'other day

[LesPaul]

Sorry if this has been mentioned already

 

From .Com

From The Irish Independent, Friday - Faroe Islands boss Brian Kerr speaking about recent speculation he was in the frame to become Chris Hughtons' assistant at SJP:

 

"I don't know where it came from. Myself and Chris are good friends. We discuss things about football, but mainly because they have a Faroese player (Joan Edmundsson) and we talk about how things are getting on for him.

 

"But we've never discussed at any stage the possibility of me coming in and having a role at the club. I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

"It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

"The previous assistant Colin Calderwood left and he had only a short time to go on his own contract and that didn't look like being extended. I don't actually know what's going on.

 

"I think he deserves better. I was at the training session in Leixlip (Carlton House) during the summer and players were heading out leaving him with a smaller squad.

 

"He's got them into shape, he's no money to spend, but he's done a marvellous job. Of course he deserves a new contract, because that club was in a mess when he took it over.

 

"It's not something that I've thought about. I'm busy with the job I'm trying to do with the Faroes. It's not really a role I've seen myself in, as a No 2.

 

"Of course, it would be interesting to work at a club with so much potential like Newcastle. But it hasn't been something that has come up and I haven't discussed it with Chris.

 

"I don't know how this all started up. When I first heard about it, I thought somebody was joking about it. I am friendly with Chris -- but Chris has hundreds of friends in the game who would probably be more qualified than me."

 

And Carton House is in Maynooth not Leixlip ya Dublin gobshite!

[Dave]

I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

I remain in two minds as to whether or not this I agree with the stance of the club on this issue. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Hughton did a great job getting us promotion in some style in the end, but there wasn't much to say he (or the players at his disposal) would be good enough to compete in the Premier League. Certainly lots on here were expecting a major struggle and very possibly relegation again. In that case why commit to a new contract on Premier League wages? It makes sense to wait and see what happens.

 

The part which is up in the air is how Hughton and the players react to that uncertainty. It could easily have led to apathy in the squad and players not being picked causing turmoil etc. Luckily, to date it appears it's brought them together and they want to fight for each other and prove themselves worthy of new contracts etc. Long may it continue, but it's a risky policy.

[Minhosa]

I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

I remain in two minds as to whether or not this I agree with the stance of the club on this issue. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Hughton did a great job getting us promotion in some style in the end, but there wasn't much to say he (or the players at his disposal) would be good enough to compete in the Premier League. Certainly lots on here were expecting a major struggle and very possibly relegation again. In that case why commit to a new contract on Premier League wages? It makes sense to wait and see what happens.

 

The part which is up in the air is how Hughton and the players react to that uncertainty. It could easily have led to apathy in the squad and players not being picked causing turmoil etc. Luckily, to date it appears it's brought them together and they want to fight for each other and prove themselves worthy of new contracts etc. Long may it continue, but it's a risky policy.

 

I can see what you're saying Dave and understand the argument on both sides however surely the club should have recognised the achievement of last year which, in Hughtons case, was done on the cheap.

 

Also, if they're worried about committing to a premier league salary without any guarantees of survival, surely they could build in a relegation clause docking CH's wages by the same as the rise?

 

For me, it just seems MA is running the club in the same way he does Sports Direct, which has never had a consistent management team and has always been marred by Directors falling out with him.

 

I don't think Llambias has any say in the clubs direction other than making sure the pies are hot and the beer cold.

[Benwell Lad]

I'm sure when contract renewal time comes Hughton will get the deal he deserves.

I certainly hope so, because if we don't pin him down I don't think he'd be short of potential employers.

Right now priority has to be bringing in the right man to be his assistant.

[Minhosa]

I'm sure when contract renewal time comes Hughton will get the deal he deserves.

I certainly hope so, because if we don't pin him down I don't think he'd be short of potential employers.

Right now priority has to be bringing in the right man to be his assistant.

 

I'm glad you are.

[JH]

We always rush into everything (transfers, manager contracts etc.). I'm glad we're actually taking a more rational approach to it.

 

There's no doubting that Hughton's done a good job to get us here, but the fact is it all rests on what happens between now and May.

[Wullie]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

[jdckelly]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

is it really rational to just jump and hand out a deal when the jobs not done yet? good article on the guardian website about said topic

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/nov/05/chris-hughton-contract-newcastle

[Ryan_Taylor]

If we're not in the bottom 3 by Xmas, which we shouldn't be than he'll deserve his mew 2 or 3 year contract and the wage boost to go with it. The club will look justified in waiting, and all will be right with the world......or we'll let it drag on till the end of the season

[Guest Brazilianbob]

I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

I remain in two minds as to whether or not this I agree with the stance of the club on this issue. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Hughton did a great job getting us promotion in some style in the end, but there wasn't much to say he (or the players at his disposal) would be good enough to compete in the Premier League. Certainly lots on here were expecting a major struggle and very possibly relegation again. In that case why commit to a new contract on Premier League wages? It makes sense to wait and see what happens.

 

The part which is up in the air is how Hughton and the players react to that uncertainty. It could easily have led to apathy in the squad and players not being picked causing turmoil etc. Luckily, to date it appears it's brought them together and they want to fight for each other and prove themselves worthy of new contracts etc. Long may it continue, but it's a risky policy.

 

I can see what you're saying Dave and understand the argument on both sides however surely the club should have recognised the achievement of last year which, in Hughtons case, was done on the cheap.

 

Also, if they're worried about committing to a premier league salary without any guarantees of survival, surely they could build in a relegation clause docking CH's wages by the same as the rise?

 

For me, it just seems MA is running the club in the same way he does Sports Direct, which has never had a consistent management team and has always been marred by Directors falling out with him.

 

I don't think Llambias has any say in the clubs direction other than making sure the pies are hot and the beer cold.

 

At the end of the day Chris Hughton signed a contract that runs until next summer and agreed the wages on offer to get the club promoted.  He fulfilled his part of the contract and the club fulfilled their part by paying him the agreed sums of money.  Now we are in the EPL it makes sense that he be given until the end of his contract to earn a better deal.  If he succeeds he will be well rewarded in Jan/next summer.  If he fails then the club do not have to honour a lengthy contract like Fat Sams mega deal of £6m, which could have been better spent on new players.

[Minhosa]

I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

I remain in two minds as to whether or not this I agree with the stance of the club on this issue. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Hughton did a great job getting us promotion in some style in the end, but there wasn't much to say he (or the players at his disposal) would be good enough to compete in the Premier League. Certainly lots on here were expecting a major struggle and very possibly relegation again. In that case why commit to a new contract on Premier League wages? It makes sense to wait and see what happens.

 

The part which is up in the air is how Hughton and the players react to that uncertainty. It could easily have led to apathy in the squad and players not being picked causing turmoil etc. Luckily, to date it appears it's brought them together and they want to fight for each other and prove themselves worthy of new contracts etc. Long may it continue, but it's a risky policy.

 

I can see what you're saying Dave and understand the argument on both sides however surely the club should have recognised the achievement of last year which, in Hughtons case, was done on the cheap.

 

Also, if they're worried about committing to a premier league salary without any guarantees of survival, surely they could build in a relegation clause docking CH's wages by the same as the rise?

 

For me, it just seems MA is running the club in the same way he does Sports Direct, which has never had a consistent management team and has always been marred by Directors falling out with him.

 

I don't think Llambias has any say in the clubs direction other than making sure the pies are hot and the beer cold.

 

At the end of the day Chris Hughton signed a contract that runs until next summer and agreed the wages on offer to get the club promoted.  He fulfilled his part of the contract and the club fulfilled their part by paying him the agreed sums of money.  Now we are in the EPL it makes sense that he be given until the end of his contract to earn a better deal.  If he succeeds he will be well rewarded in Jan/next summer.  If he fails then the club do not have to honour a lengthy contract like Fat Sams mega deal of £6m, which could have been better spent on new players.

 

I can see both sides of the argument and I think, for the club, they're getting a lot of unfair press because we've had some decent results.

 

If we had of lost on Sunday questions would be getting asked about CH's ability and, no doubt, he will be questioned when we play poorly throughout the season.

 

My argument is more along the lines of.....................we are doing well, players seem very united, all going well for the first time in the Ashley reign and, for the sake of a low risk financial decision, we could further enhance the feel good factor around the place whilst not taking much of a punt.

 

The Ashley approach of not spending money if you don't have to seems to be winning this one - hopefully it doesn't come at a cost.

[Wullie]

Should we start doing that with players too then? Let their deal run out and offer them a new one in the June if we thought they were any good? I think we'd end up with no players left. Would Mourinho work under these conditions? At what point do we start treating Hughton like our real manager, which he is? We need him a lot more than he needs us right now imo.

[JH]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

 

Roeder was doing a good job, and Shepherd rushed into giving him a contract - look how that panned out.

 

All I'm saying is, the club have been accused in the past of throwing money at things and rushing into decisions. As soon as they change the outlook, people complain that they're now taking too much thought. It's a lose-lose for them.

 

I think Christmas is a good indicator of whether he should be given a new contract or not. If he's still doing a good job by then, open negotiations.

[cubaricho]

According to someone who apparently had talked to Hughton the issue isn't being offered a new contract, the issue is not being offered enough money for the job he's doing. He's using the extra time to prove he's worth the money that he wants.  Supposedly the contract is already on the table but Wor Chris isn't happy with it.

[madras]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

 

Roeder was doing a good job, and Shepherd rushed into giving him a contract - look how that panned out.

 

All I'm saying is, the club have been accused in the past of throwing money at things and rushing into decisions. As soon as they change the outlook, people complain that they're now taking too much thought. It's a lose-lose for them.

 

I think Christmas is a good indicator of whether he should be given a new contract or not. If he's still doing a good job by then, open negotiations.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

 

Roeder was doing a good job, and Shepherd rushed into giving him a contract - look how that panned out.

 

All I'm saying is, the club have been accused in the past of throwing money at things and rushing into decisions. As soon as they change the outlook, people complain that they're now taking too much thought. It's a lose-lose for them.

 

I think Christmas is a good indicator of whether he should be given a new contract or not. If he's still doing a good job by then, open negotiations.

 

 

 

[Cajun]

Problem is no-one of any worth will accept a one year contract is Hughton get's the boot then what happens if they fail? Will still result in a hefty pay off.

 

Not saying he should get a 5 year deal or anything but an 18 month extension wouldn't hurt.