Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Oh and we were not a long ball team when he took over. If anything we become that side when Carroll was sold and Best was brought in up front. We were by no means a footballing side under Hughton but we did play football and we mixed it up. We played very good football for example when we beat Villa by 6 and the mackems 5-1. We also dominated games and sides. We went to the Emirates and played controlled football and we won. We also played very good football at times in the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think I'll leave this thread alone for a while, HTT is really starting to grate on me with his anti-Pardew agenda Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think I'll leave this thread alone for a while, HTT is really starting to grate on me with his anti-Pardew agenda Fuck me are people not allowed to have an opinion? The only agenda I have is to see my club keep improving and I just so happen to believe the current manager will have to be replaced by better at some point for that to happen, OK! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Oh and we were not a long ball team when he took over. If anything we become that side when Carroll was sold and Best was brought in up front. We were by no means a footballing side under Hughton but we did play football and we mixed it up. We played very good football for example when we beat Villa by 6 and the mackems 5-1. We also dominated games and sides. We went to the Emirates and played controlled football and we won. We also played very good football at times in the Championship. Agree with this. Your other post is daft though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Replacing Pardew. If we're still playing football like this in a couple of years then yes, by all means. But give the man a chance to build his own squad and then see what style of football we're playing. The midfield and attack of our strongest eleven when he took over was probably Barton Nolan Tiote Jonas Carroll Shola Can you honestly see that lot playing any sort of slick pass and move football? We were built to be a long ball team when he took over, you can't change that overnight, especially not if you want to have the kind of results we've managed this season. Let's give him some real time before we decide exactly what 'Alan Pardew Football' is, eh? Talk of replacing Pardew does sound daft on the face of it when we are having such a good season, but if I said I didn't have doubts I'd be lying. I don't think he's by instinct a manager who likes playing the passing game. Sure he has given it a go, and he'd probably like to implement that sort of game, but whether he knows how to coach it is another matter. So before anyone starts hopping up and down in fury, I agree he deserves the time to show what he can do, because for all I'm not impressed with the football, he has a lot of other qualities which I like. Do I think another manager could use the same resources better? Yes, over time I think a manager with a bit more nous will be needed, because Pardew's made some horrendous gaffes during what has been an otherwise good season. The Liverpool game will be a key one for me, because our tactics and general play was shambolic when we went to Anfield. If we want to finish in the top 6 we have to compete against our direct competitors not bend the knee and lube our arseholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think I'll leave this thread alone for a while, HTT is really starting to grate on me with his anti-Pardew agenda I agree... If someone wants to replace a manager/player I'm a big believer in coming up with an alternative manager/player... I think AP is doing a great job in what has been difficult off-field circumstances... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I agree... If someone wants to replace a manager/player I'm a big believer in coming up with an alternative manager/player... I think AP is doing a great job in what has been difficult off-field circumstances... Any difficult off field circumstances were self-inflicted. He was the one who was sitting at home since before the Mackem game waiting for Hughton to be sacked so that he could walk into his job. Pardew has had the full backing of his boss and the club owner, I fail to see what these so called difficult circumstances are, at least any that weren’t of his own making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think I'll leave this thread alone for a while, HTT is really starting to grate on me with his anti-Pardew agenda Seconded. It's like repeatedly banging your head against a brick wall. A bit painful and ultimately futile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think I'll leave this thread alone for a while, HTT is really starting to grate on me with his anti-Pardew agenda I agree... If someone wants to replace a manager/player I'm a big believer in coming up with an alternative manager/player... I think AP is doing a great job in what has been difficult off-field circumstances... Your'e entitled to your belief, but if someone has a different view why shouldn't they be allowed to express it? It's not like HTT hasn't given fairly comprehensive reasoning why he isn't a Pardew fan. Even if he is wrong (in some people's opinion) what's the harm in expressing his views? Isn't that what these forums are about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'm just sick of being second best... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'm just sick of being second best... Your following the wrong team I feel your pain though. Not sure ill ever witness our team win something in my life time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'm just sick of being second best... Your following the wrong team I feel your pain though. Not sure ill ever witness our team win something in my life time. I was thinking this the other day. Call me sentimental, but I really really want to see us win something with my dad and my brother. I want to share the joy of actually winning a trophy with the man responsible for bringing so much pain and torture into my life..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'm kind of glad we're second best. I'd been getting used to thirteenth-best or eighteenth-best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 HTT has spiced the thread up nicely and created some edgy talking points. Well done mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 He has his own squad and has the considerable talents of Ba, Cisse, Jonas, Guthrie, cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Santon, Colo, Krul et al yet our football in the main is turgid shit, the kind of football the likes of Big Sam and Souness served up. If we were 10th this season playing the way we are, there would be more voices like mine saying similar things. We know what 'Alan Pardew Football' is by the way, its shit. He's been here over a year and the football hasn't changed, yet the standard of our players has, massively so. That's why we are 6th. Those players need tactical nouse, braver team selections and the freedom to do their thing if they want to remain in that position or improve further though, if not, this team will slide backwards. Because we cannot carry on performing the way we are or go to places like White Hart Lane showing complete tactical naievty or cowardice in team selection when playing the likes of QPR at SJP. Of course there'd be more people expressing similar concerns if we were 10th. But we're not, we're significantly better off. Yes, we've been lucky at times this year and have probably overachieved a little, but you can't tell me we don't deserve to be in the top seven. Most people would consider that a massive success, look at the first few pages of the 'Battle for 7th' thread. Yes we have some good players at our disposal but so do most teams in the Premiership, before we signed Cisse we had exactly one striker who was Premiership standard, namely Ba. To say we're 6th due to the quality of our players alone is silly, we have some quality yes but we've also been starting rubbish/not good enough players like Williamson, Simpson, Ryan Taylor, Obertan, Shola and Best a lot this year, and our squad depth is desperate. The football is nowhere near as long ball orientated as we were under Allardyce btw, and it doesn't even compare to how disorganized we were under Souness. I agree that he needs to change some things, the Ben Arfa issue is very worrying for example. But to give him no credit for what we've done this year, which seems to be your viewpoint, is absurd. Oh and we were not a long ball team when he took over. If anything we become that side when Carroll was sold and Best was brought in up front. We were by no means a footballing side under Hughton but we did play football and we mixed it up. We played very good football for example when we beat Villa by 6 and the mackems 5-1. We also dominated games and sides. We went to the Emirates and played controlled football and we won. We also played very good football at times in the Championship. We were very up and down under Hughton. Some good performances yes but we also had some clueless performances. Remember Blackpool and Stoke at home? Awful stuff, the latter in particular was a game we lost due to Hughton being completely tactically naive and handing the game to our opponents. There was some nice bits of football thrown in there too, sure, but no more so than we do now IMO, you make it sound like we're completely route one under Pardew which is nonsense. We won at Arsenal due to the most route one goal of all time, great defending and our goalposts btw. Anyway, all this aside what would you propose doing? Send Pardew on his way and find someone else? Then if after a year we aren't getting good results and playing quality football we send that guy packing too? No manager would go near us. After the last few years under Ashley I doubt we're an attractive proposition as it is. Firing a manager who has massively overachieved because his football isn't pretty enough would be about the worst thing we could do right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 He has his own squad and has the considerable talents of Ba, Cisse, Jonas, Guthrie, cabaye, Tiote, Ben Arfa, Santon, Colo, Krul et al yet our football in the main is turgid shit, the kind of football the likes of Big Sam and Souness served up. If we were 10th this season playing the way we are, there would be more voices like mine saying similar things. We know what 'Alan Pardew Football' is by the way, its shit. He's been here over a year and the football hasn't changed, yet the standard of our players has, massively so. That's why we are 6th. Those players need tactical nouse, braver team selections and the freedom to do their thing if they want to remain in that position or improve further though, if not, this team will slide backwards. Because we cannot carry on performing the way we are or go to places like White Hart Lane showing complete tactical naievty or cowardice in team selection when playing the likes of QPR at SJP. Of course there'd be more people expressing similar concerns if we were 10th. But we're not, we're significantly better off. Yes, we've been lucky at times this year and have probably overachieved a little, but you can't tell me we don't deserve to be in the top seven. Most people would consider that a massive success, look at the first few pages of the 'Battle for 7th' thread. Yes we have some good players at our disposal but so do most teams in the Premiership, before we signed Cisse we had exactly one striker who was Premiership standard, namely Ba. To say we're 6th due to the quality of our players alone is silly, we have some quality yes but we've also been starting rubbish/not good enough players like Williamson, Simpson, Ryan Taylor, Obertan, Shola and Best a lot this year, and our squad depth is desperate. The football is nowhere near as long ball orientated as we were under Allardyce btw, and it doesn't even compare to how disorganized we were under Souness. I agree that he needs to change some things, the Ben Arfa issue is very worrying for example. But to give him no credit for what we've done this year, which seems to be your viewpoint, is absurd. Oh and we were not a long ball team when he took over. If anything we become that side when Carroll was sold and Best was brought in up front. We were by no means a footballing side under Hughton but we did play football and we mixed it up. We played very good football for example when we beat Villa by 6 and the mackems 5-1. We also dominated games and sides. We went to the Emirates and played controlled football and we won. We also played very good football at times in the Championship. We were very up and down under Hughton. Some good performances yes but we also had some clueless performances. Remember Blackpool and Stoke at home? Awful stuff, the latter in particular was a game we lost due to Hughton being completely tactically naive and handing the game to our opponents. There was some nice bits of football thrown in there too, sure, but no more so than we do now IMO, you make it sound like we're completely route one under Pardew which is nonsense. We won at Arsenal due to the most route one goal of all time, great defending and our goalposts btw. Anyway, all this aside what would you propose doing? Send Pardew on his way and find someone else? Then if after a year we aren't getting good results and playing quality football we send that guy packing too? No manager would go near us. After the last few years under Ashley I doubt we're an attractive proposition as it is. Firing a manager who has massively overachieved because his football isn't pretty enough would be about the worst thing we could do right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Firing a manager who has massively overachieved because his football isn't pretty enough would be about the worst thing we could do right now. That's asking for trouble. Watch Ashley make all our back four play blindfolded and change club crest to a chocolate starfish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Replacing Pardew. If we're still playing football like this in a couple of years then yes, by all means. But give the man a chance to build his own squad and then see what style of football we're playing. The midfield and attack of our strongest eleven when he took over was probably Barton Nolan Tiote Jonas Carroll Shola Can you honestly see that lot playing any sort of slick pass and move football? We were built to be a long ball team when he took over, you can't change that overnight, especially not if you want to have the kind of results we've managed this season. Let's give him some real time before we decide exactly what 'Alan Pardew Football' is, eh? Talk of replacing Pardew does sound daft on the face of it when we are having such a good season, but if I said I didn't have doubts I'd be lying. I don't think he's by instinct a manager who likes playing the passing game. Sure he has given it a go, and he'd probably like to implement that sort of game, but whether he knows how to coach it is another matter. So before anyone starts hopping up and down in fury, I agree he deserves the time to show what he can do, because for all I'm not impressed with the football, he has a lot of other qualities which I like. Do I think another manager could use the same resources better? Yes, over time I think a manager with a bit more nous will be needed, because Pardew's made some horrendous gaffes during what has been an otherwise good season. The Liverpool game will be a key one for me, because our tactics and general play was shambolic when we went to Anfield. If we want to finish in the top 6 we have to compete against our direct competitors not bend the knee and lube our arseholes. This is pretty much where I stand, I think he's done a great job but there's still this nagging doubt that we could be doing a bit better. Personally I'll wait until next season to properly judge, if we strengthen the squad and we're still going out and basing our game on not conceding and relying on a striker having a remarkably good season then i'll be worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 FWIW I share those doubts, the Ben Arfa issue is a big one for me. If he can't find a way to at least try to accommodate a talent like that in his team then it'll be real cause for concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think I'll leave this thread alone for a while, HTT is really starting to grate on me with his anti-Pardew agenda I agree... If someone wants to replace a manager/player I'm a big believer in coming up with an alternative manager/player... I think AP is doing a great job in what has been difficult off-field circumstances... Your'e entitled to your belief, but if someone has a different view why shouldn't they be allowed to express it? It's not like HTT hasn't given fairly comprehensive reasoning why he isn't a Pardew fan. Even if he is wrong (in some people's opinion) what's the harm in expressing his views? Isn't that what these forums are about? Have I missed where HTT (or anyone else wanting to replace AP) has named who he wants in as manager?... I asked the question earlier in the thread?.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 FWIW I share those doubts, the Ben Arfa issue is a big one for me. If he can't find a way to at least try to accommodate a talent like that in his team then it'll be real cause for concern. Tevez, Mascherano. Barfa will be off, from the way the situation is going, next season. Unbelievable waste of such talent at our disposal. How to bring out the best in tortured geniuses one has to learn from the top, top managers, like Sir Bobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 FWIW I share those doubts, the Ben Arfa issue is a big one for me. If he can't find a way to at least try to accommodate a talent like that in his team then it'll be real cause for concern. Tevez, Mascherano. Barfa will be off, from the way the situation is going, next season. Unbelievable waste of such talent at our disposal. How to bring out the best in tortured geniuses one has to learn from the top, top managers, like Sir Bobby. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 For all i think HTT's views to be OTT...There is some truth in what he is saying. We HAVE played shite this season, we HAVE got lucky quite a bit, we HAVE rode our luck in games and AP HAS put out poor starting 11's and got tactics wrong..........BUT...We are 6th ffs. We cant complain with that. HTT...This side is still gelling together and i am pretty confident that the football will improve. Actually...we can play some pretty decent stuff, just in spells no longer than 15-20 mins. Its getting the lads to do that for 70mins week in week out that i want to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 He has from now and until the end of the season to win me over and get this side playing some kind of football. I'm not expecting Barca levels of football or even Sir Bobby levels, but attacking football and some possession with our best players selected if fit and that includes Ben Arfa. He has no excuses now, the African lads are back, Cabaye is back and there is a European spot to aim for. There are also some very winable games on the horizon, games where we should be performing well in. Lets see if he can deliver because this could set the scene for next season with the promise of even more good players joining. Although we will lose Tiote to fund things no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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