Dave Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 But but i thought he resigned and people witnessed this incident? bk.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Difficult to judge technical footballers under a manager who operates long ball tactics. If you don't understand the difference just think back to how Keegan transformed the Newcastle team left by Sam Allardyce. The same set of players looked totally different under a manager who played them to their strengths. This ^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Difficult to judge technical footballers under a manager who operates long ball tactics. If you don't understand the difference just think back to how Keegan transformed the Newcastle team left by Sam Allardyce. The same set of players looked totally different under a manager who played them to their strengths. agree with that in a way but i'd like to think it's more due to the team being unbalanced attacking wise, hence sissoko out of position thus cabaye not being in the role we'd want. if we play the same way after (?) we get in that supporting striker then I'd fasll in line with the majority on here re pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Which one of Graham Carr's signings has been an unqualified success? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A lot of players had a shocker, but I don't buy that they're permanently poor. They have to take their share of responsibility, but I don't think last season reflects anyone's true ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Which one of Graham Carr's signings has been an unqualified success? I would say most of them are qualified successes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's departure would have left Kinnear solely responsible for recruitment Build a fucking statue of that man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Ignore him man, he thinks buying loads of strikers will magically fix everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Ignore him man, he thinks buying loads of strikers will magically fix everything. When it comes to our players, absolutely this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Stop picking on neesy you lot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Nur nat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Thing is, in terms of value for money Carr's done a very good job. In terms of players suited to the Premier League and specifically our side, and of adequate quality for a team with top 7 ambitions he's not always delivered. He has a hard task on his hands, though, I think we've signed 2 players for more than £7m since Ashley bought the club. He's probably being told to find average players for less than they're worth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Gouffran is underrated imo and you can definitely debate the positive case for lots of the others too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Carr's signings for me haven't been no where near as good as people think. We almost got relegated with them last season and the players themselves had a huge proportion of the blame for that. Ignore him man, he thinks buying loads of strikers will magically fix everything. Head in sand as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Thing is, in terms of value for money Carr's done a very job. In terms of players suited to the Premier League and specifically our side, and of adequate quality for a team with top 7 ambitions he's not always delivered. He has a hard task on his hands, though, I think we've signed 2 players for more than £7m since Ashley bought the club. He's probably being told to find average players for less than they're worth. I think this is very true. We seem to have very strict criteria for our players: Under 26 and cheap (release fee / free transfers preferred). Now there's fucktons of cheap, U26 players. But not a lot of good, cheap, U26 players. Normally if you want good and young you pay lots, or you pay less and get someone good and old. Trying to match all 3 criteria is not easy. He gets close a lot of the time, but I think it's hard to criticise him for not matching all 3 categories to the max every single time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Nah its just obvious what the problems are....we don't score goals because the 3 sections of the team are too far apart..... defence is too far from the midfield and the midfield is too far away from the forwards. Any team would struggle like that, its a fundamental coaching and tactical flaw. Even if we bought Remy and Carroll it still wouldn't change anything.. If you notice when Cisse first arrived and scored all those goals there was common factor..... Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Ba were all around him lending support. That never happened at any stage last season, our striker be it Ba or Cisse had no support with Cabaye and Ben Arfa like 30 yards behind him regularly. Carr's signings have been fine from the most part, the problem comes with how they are being used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A big reason for the midfield being too far from the forwards is the players. Telling Cabaye to play further up the pitch for instance would probably create more problems than it would solve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Playing Marveaux in his proper position would go a long way to shortening the gap between midfield and attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A big reason for the midfield being too far from the forwards is the players. Telling Cabaye to play further up the pitch for instance would probably create more problems than it would solve. I'm not talking about behind the behind the striker "up the pitch" but the team is a whole is too open and not compact enough to defend and attack as a team properly. You watch most of the successful teams in this league the space between their defence, midfield and forwards is a lot smaller than ours thus allowing them to defend in numbers when necessary and get forward with numbers when they win the ball without sacrificing their defensive structure. This is a major problem to me, we do need more players it goes without saying but unless these things are rectified it won't do much good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A big reason for the midfield being too far from the forwards is the players. Telling Cabaye to play further up the pitch for instance would probably create more problems than it would solve. Cabaye does well when he gets further up the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 There is no way Ashley would get rid of Carr, he's worth too much to him in terms of finding talent at a pittance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 He's bought us fantastic individuals, some are arguably too good for us. The problem is Pardew and that there were too many settling in periods at once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lalasialex Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 A big reason for the midfield being too far from the forwards is the players. Telling Cabaye to play further up the pitch for instance would probably create more problems than it would solve. I'm not talking about behind the behind the striker "up the pitch" but the team is a whole is too open and not compact enough to defend and attack as a team properly. You watch most of the successful teams in this league the space between their defence, midfield and forwards is a lot smaller than ours thus allowing them to defend in numbers when necessary and get forward with numbers when they win the ball without sacrificing their defensive structure. This is a major problem to me, we do need more players it goes without saying but unless these things are rectified it won't do much good. And then we need to push the defence higher up the pitch! And if we loose the ball we can win it back in the final third... But not compact enough means big trouble both offensive and when we loose the ball... But AP doesn't see that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Cabaye feels the need to do the work of other players who aren't pulling their weight but hasn't got the mobility to feel omnipresent. You either partner him with a midfielder who works very hard so he feels he can push on or you play a proper midfield 3 and make sure the work is spread out more evenly. I don't mind him filling the deep lying playmaker role such as Pirlo but do mind him effectively doing Tiote's job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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