Deckard 13 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I'm more of a lurker than poster, but i've been motivated to post and say you're mental! Short memories it seems. A squad is about more than the 11 on the pitch. There's european football next season and 12 million will not come close to replacing a 16 goal striker who looked unstoppable for half a season and pefectly decent for the other half. Lots of games to play and we need to keep these players together, even if they don't all get to play at the same time. He's looked tired, no doubt next season he'll be banging them in, as he has done throughout his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Give over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Give over. What do you feel he offers then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I see where he's coming from, his play in possession has been frustrating at times, but no way should we be getting rid of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Give over. What do you feel he offers then? Pace, strength, brilliant link up play (which he has shown on the left). Not to mention he carried us single handedly (goal wise) for half a season. He's out of form but that doesn't mean we should get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Give over. What do you feel he offers then? Well for starters, he keeps a defender or two busy with his movement, and has created a lot of space for Cisse and Ben Arfa. His only weakness at the moment is the goal thing. He seems too eager to score so is not making the best choices some times. Nothing that can't or won't be corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Give over. What do you feel he offers then? I think others have answered the question, but if you think our excellent run of games recently in hat 4-3-3 formation could have been achieved with anybody other (from our squad obviously) than Demba Ba alongside Cisse and Ben Arfa in the front three you're mental. He's strong, intelligent, fast, a good passer of the ball and has also tracked back and worked hard. His goals have dried up, but not for want of trying or not getting into good positions. With a bit more luck he would have had 20+ goals already and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 I'd like to retain him, but ideally as a squad player, because of the number of games we'll have to play. Whether he'd be prepared to put up with moving down the pecking order is another question. I think he'd want to leave. I'd like to bring in a striker with more pace and movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 He is trying far to hard now and does not have the technique to play wide left in front 3 or withdrawn striker imho. I think the team are trying to hard to get him a goal as well rather than just playing for goals and it will come again. He is still getting some good chances just not happening for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. Give over. What do you feel he offers then? You've had a mare mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Substitution for Newcastle United. Coming off is aussiemag...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 As if people would advocate letting go of a good footballer with a good attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Substitution for Newcastle United. Coming off is aussiemag...... Just my opinion .. well see how it all pans out over the next 12 months .. Ill happily take it back if he has another 16 goal season next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 As if people would advocate letting go of a good footballer with a good attitude. Yeah, it's ridiculous. He's just not built for 90 minutes of Premier League football on a regular basis. He's basically been running on almost empty for 2 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 If we sign another striker (someone in the style of Shane Long/Craig Bellamy maybe) and Marveaux comes back, that should take the pressure of Ba a bit. He won't be able to play every game next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 As if people would advocate letting go of a good footballer with a good attitude. Yeah, it's ridiculous. He's just not built for 90 minutes of Premier League football on a regular basis. He's basically been running on almost empty for 2 months. I agree here, I think he's just been drained completely for the season. Would be nice to see him work his fitness levels this summer and hopefully not struggle as much during Ramadan and kick on. Crazy statement here, I'm hoping we also don't get rid of Leon Best and we are able to use Besty this next season with European football on the horizon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Were Sammy's Tweets during the game mentioned on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Found it: Samuel Ameobi @Sammy_Ameobi Sitting in the box with Kano and Potts, as if one of @dembabafoot 's boys have brought a chicken cottage bucket in. A brothers gotta know there's a time and a place for fried chicken #packlunch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Probably not going to be a popular thing to say on here. But I wont be too fussed if we sell Ba on in the summer. His price is at the largest its going to ever be.. I just feel that even when he was scoring goals, his all round play is not good enough. His passing has been sloppy all season, he constantly trys to turn instead of playing the earlier easy pass, he struggles to physically dominate most centre halfs... If we get an offer of say 12 million pounds .. I wouldnt hesitate to sell him and replace him with a pacier/ wide player. I can't agree with this in terms of Demba's quality early in the season- he was top class. However, today was a classic example of where we should have played 4-3-3 but didn't with the most likely reason being that they didn't trust Demba to track Zabaleta. The first goal comes from them outnumbering us in the middle. If Demba was to go with us signing two pacy 4-3-3 style widemen, it wouldn't be the end of my world and it would lessen the impact of the ACON next year as well. A straight swap for Gameiro wouldn't be too bad either! I agree .. I remember against Man Utd at home where his performance was completely dominant .. but since then hes the one player that frustrates the hell out of me.. as he has an inability to retain posession... without scoring goals he is not an asset to the side at all. pure short termism. if you could find one newcastle fan in january who would advocate getting rid of ba i will give you a million pounds. he's not scored in a while so some fans are going to start saying he's shite. personally i don't think we should lose one player in the squad this summer, as it is already too small for european football next season. the idea that some fans think we should sell one of our players of the season, leaving us with just cisse up front (and shola) for an entire season of european football (hopefully) beggars belief. We CANNOT afford to lose demba ba, we were shit scared he would leave in jan, just because he hasn't scored in a few months doesn't change the fact that he is a player with a lot of ability. personally i would like to see a settled team for a few years. there are some top class (i mean top class) individuals in this side, and not just a few, there are 4-5 players who would not look out of place in some of the best teams in the world on current form, and another 3-5 who are also good enough for champions league football. if we can keep this squad together for a couple more years, without losing any/many and making small additions where necessary then we could be an excellent team, because as good as were playing at the moment, we are more a team with very good individuals than a very good team at the moment. Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, Santon and to a lesser extent Krul have only had one season playing together as a team. The only players to have played in our first team for over 3 years are Jonas, Colo and Taylor (who doesn't really count this season), who are our joint longest serving players, having been here for 4 years. When you compare that to teams like arsenal, man u and chelsea that is a very small number. We need to stop playing football manager and continue to mould our excellent group of individuals into an excellent team that can face teams like chelsea and arsenal and win by playing better football than they do, which i think our team now, with a couple of additions in one or two areas, is capable of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Really hope he can finish the season off with a goal/winner at Everton. Would help him mentally to finish on a high note although he has plenty to be proud of this season - without his goals, we wouldn't be in this position really. In any case, this summer will act as a welcome break for him. The Senegalese Olympic Coach can f*** off about selecting him for the squad btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Found it: Samuel Ameobi @Sammy_Ameobi Sitting in the box with Kano and Potts, as if one of @dembabafoot 's boys have brought a chicken cottage bucket in. A brothers gotta know there's a time and a place for fried chicken #packlunch :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sophie S Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 We CANNOT afford to lose demba ba, we were s*** scared he would leave in jan, just because he hasn't scored in a few months doesn't change the fact that he is a player with a lot of ability. personally i would like to see a settled team for a few years. there are some top class (i mean top class) individuals in this side, and not just a few, there are 4-5 players who would not look out of place in some of the best teams in the world on current form, and another 3-5 who are also good enough for champions league football. if we can keep this squad together for a couple more years, without losing any/many and making small additions where necessary then we could be an excellent team, because as good as were playing at the moment, we are more a team with very good individuals than a very good team at the moment. Ben Arfa, Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, Santon and to a lesser extent Krul have only had one season playing together as a team. The only players to have played in our first team for over 3 years are Jonas, Colo and Taylor (who doesn't really count this season), who are our joint longest serving players, having been here for 4 years. When you compare that to teams like arsenal, man u and chelsea that is a very small number. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 yep people seems so easy to say we will got replacement... but the fact is we wandering for cisse for a long long time before we can get him... it is not as simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 All dependant on the price we would get, allthough I would like having both here for rotational issues during next season. Europe is going to take it's toll, if he's tired now he will by no means be less tired next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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