ChrisMcQuillan Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 The issue is that with the way we play, which is too often lobbed long balls, you need to be playing Ameobi with one of Ba or Cisse, since he acts as the target man and holding up the ball is his strength. I agree that Ba and Cisse could work, but it would take more focused play through the centre and we don't really do that enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Ba and Cisse up top for a team like Man U would be absolutely devastating, depressingly so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Shearer used to go wide a lot and whip in pin point crosses for Ferdinand. He was excellent at creating half a yard for a cross and his delivery was superb. Ginola, Lee, Tino, Beardsley and Gillespie used to create loads of chances for them both though. The 2 big men partnership wasn't really an issue due to the chances we created. Latter years when Shearer then partnered Ferguson, Ameobi or Cort it didn't work as well whereas when he partnered Bellamy it worked a treat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Shearer used to go wide a lot and whip in pin point crosses for Ferdinand. He was excellent at creating half a yard for a cross and his delivery was superb. Ginola, Lee, Tino, Beardsley and Gillespie used to create loads of chances for them both though. The 2 big men partnership wasn't really an issue due to the chances we created. Latter years when Shearer then partnered Ferguson, Ameobi or Cort it didn't work as well whereas when he partnered Bellamy it worked a treat. That cross during the 5-0 v Man Utd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Shearer used to go wide a lot and whip in pin point crosses for Ferdinand. He was excellent at creating half a yard for a cross and his delivery was superb. Ginola, Lee, Tino, Beardsley and Gillespie used to create loads of chances for them both though. The 2 big men partnership wasn't really an issue due to the chances we created. Latter years when Shearer then partnered Ferguson, Ameobi or Cort it didn't work as well whereas when he partnered Bellamy it worked a treat. That cross during the 5-0 rv Man Utd And against villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Genuine question, when we had Shearer and Ferdinand how did we make that work? I was too young to really remember it. They weren't a great partnership but as a side we created tons of chances and they filled their boots. In terms of partnerships, nothing I've seen has topped Cole and Beardsley. They were a good partnership but you're right about the chances we created for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 By the time Shearer was partnered by Bellamy his role had changed. When Ferguson was brought in, the idea was that he'd win everything in the air, bully the defenders and make room for Shearer, who at that point was still trying to play as though he was as quick as he had been before his big injury. Bellamy was a very different kind of partner, the quick legs running off Shearer as target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Fairly sure Gullit bought Ferguson to eventually replace Shearer, not play with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Fairly sure Gullit bought Ferguson to eventually replace Shearer, not play with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Gullit and Shearer clashed terribly with the former really resenting the influence the latter held at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted October 2, 2012 Share Posted October 2, 2012 Gullit was vocal about wanting Ferguson to play alongside Shearer, idea was basically as Ozziemandias outlined with reference to the Chris Sutton partnership at Blackburn and us previously going for Dion Dublin. Entirely possible however that Gullit was secretly intending for Ferguson to be his Shearer replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think it's worth mentioning in this thread that Cisse played tonight, wide in a front 3. Got his head down, did his job and scored a goal as well. Good character that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think it's worth mentioning in this thread that Cisse played tonight, wide in a front 3. Got his head down, did his job and scored a goal as well. Good character that. Bit needless tbh, Ba put in good shifts on the wing for half the season despite being exceptional in the centre carrying us at times with his goals. Might be a better comparison if Cisse had to do it for more than one game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 I think it's worth mentioning in this thread that Cisse played tonight, wide in a front 3. Got his head down, did his job and scored a goal as well. Good character that. Bit needless tbh, Ba put in good shifts on the wing for half the season despite being exceptional in the centre carrying us at times with his goals. Might be a better comparison if Cisse had to do it for more than one game. Agree with the first bit. Cisse has done it for more than one game, they were inter changing quite a lot in the front 3 last season. Cisse was doing a lot of defending in the left back position too in certain games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Cisse and Ba seem like different characters and on top of the difficulties of getting a partnership of two number 9s going, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some personal tension there - particularly given Ba's open wish to play down the centre. I'm going to get some flak here, but Cisse looks a more relaxed and uninhibited player now when Ba isn't there, and that can rub off on the team as a whole. Ba seems quite an assertive character and sometimes a team pays a price for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cronky Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 I would argue that Drogba would have scored more goals than Torres in the current chelsea team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuneaton Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. thats not whats going on here, its just a mere dip in form which cisse is coming out of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 Mainstream ? its a new'ish partnership really in changing formations.. I have 100% faith that these two can & will forge a formidable partnership that will terrorise defences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. Bad example. If Drogba was 27 they wouldn't have Fernando Tores. Furthermore, the previous team was built for Drogba and this team Torres.If a manager got the most out of Drogba, Chelsea won trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. The biggest problem is the team hasn't been playing well and we've not been creating enough varied chances. No more complicated than that IMO. This personal tension bullshit is the kind of thing I'd expect the mackems to invent tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. The biggest problem is the team hasn't been playing well and we've not been creating enough varied chances. No more complicated than that IMO. This personal tension bullshit is the kind of thing I'd expect the mackems to invent tbh. Agree with this Although I do think the Dembas have been occupying the same space rather frequently for the little service they have received. I'd hope Pardew is slowly addressing this, and telling one to come to the near post occasionally. I actually think Demba works well centrally, but a little deeper. 4-4-1-1 would be good IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 You seem desperate to invent a problem. Well it now seems to be a mainstream opinion that there is some kind of problem in the Ba-Cisse partnership. The debate is about whether it's solveable. I just wonder if we've got a similar situation to Drogba at Chelsea. He was a strong character who was very difficult to leave out on ability as well, but now he's gone, Torres and the whole of the team look a lot better. The biggest problem is the team hasn't been playing well and we've not been creating enough varied chances. No more complicated than that IMO. This personal tension bullshit is the kind of thing I'd expect the mackems to invent tbh. Agree with this Although I do think the Dembas have been occupying the same space rather frequently for the little service they have received. I'd hope Pardew is slowly addressing this, and telling one to come to the near post occasionally. I actually think Demba works well centrally, but a little deeper. 4-4-1-1 would be good IMO. I think that playing Cisse on the right the other night was a good idea, hopefully we're trying to get him working the channels a bit more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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